Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[LittleBuford]

I am not saying it's funny seeing people dying or getting ill. What is funny is the overreactions from people on everything that's being done to combat Covid. Seeing so many get into an uproar over possible vaccine passports, still having to wear masks and social distancing. At this point it's hilarious. This stuff has been going on for a year and people still complain.

I still don’t understand what’s funny. There are legitimate concerns about the introduction of vaccine passports, and I fear we risk even more division in the future if those concerns aren’t at least heard and taken seriously.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

It is completely voluntary. You don’t have to share anything with anyone. If a business wants to require you to be vaccinated to take a cruise or go to a ball game or visit a theme park it’s your choice to go or not. If you don’t want to share your vaccination status or a negative test result with that business you don’t have to, you just stay home. If you don’t want to use an app you can use the old fashioned paper copy of vaccine proof. The app is a convenience for people. There’s no invasion of privacy.

This is what gets me. Everyone against it is all "But my freedom!!!"

Its not a right to go to disney parks.
Its not a right to travel.
Its not a right to go to sports events
etc.

Those are all choices. You make the choice to enter these places, you make the choice to share your vaccine status.

 

[Jrb1979]

I still don’t understand what’s funny. There are legitimate concerns about the introduction of vaccine passports, and I fear we risk even more division in the future if those concerns aren’t at least heard and taken seriously.

The vaccine passports was just an example. My point was that I find this all entertainment seeing people still go on about masks and social distancing. I personally feel vaccine passports will help with a lot of things.

 

[LittleBuford]

The vaccine passports was just an example. My point was that I find this all entertainment seeing people still go on about masks and social distancing. I personally feel vaccine passports will help with a lot of things.

We don’t agree, but I apologise for misunderstanding (and thus mischaracterising) what you found funny in my first response to you.

 

[Lilofan]

The vaccine passports was just an example. My point was that I find this all entertainment seeing people still go on about masks and social distancing. I personally feel vaccine passports will help with a lot of things.

I've got my temporary vaccine passport , my CDC card that says I got both Moderna shots.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

I want to believe that but vaccine passports are already being talked about for parts of the UK. I see it being required for air travel, concerts sporting events. Basically any large gatherings.

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alnost set in stone in the uk - and not just for large gatherings but for pubs ama restaurants as well. Boris has said it will be time limited for a year but no one believes him - tbh he’s not had a good track record of doing what he says he’s going to do. The trust rating in our govt seems to be very low right now

Once its official in the UK, more countries will come out. Its like United airlines saying they want to require it for employees. I think its safe to say MOST want to do it, but everyones waiting for someone else to pull the trigger.

 

[LittleBuford]

I've got my temporary vaccine passport , my CDC card that says I got both Moderna shots.

Those cards are far too easy to forge to be meaningful proof of anything.

 

[Think Tink]

I get that. I just find it concerning that how little people care now that younger people are the ones getting Covid and having serious symptoms from it. It's like people ignore that cause all the matters is the vaccine.

It makes me sad as I’m 29 and I see some of my friends go around acting like nothing is going on with the pandemic. I’ve hardly gone anywhere and luckily was able to get my first dose a week and a half ago. Honestly there’s some people I was close with, that I don’t think our relationship will ever be the same after this.

 

[Mark52479]

I think the question is, at what point would it be fiscally beneficial for them to require vaccines.

This is my thinking too. They will go as long as they can without these requirements and see what happens.

I would be shocked if they require anything in 2021. It would be more like 2022 at the earliest

 

[CatesMom]

Those cards are far too easy to forge to be meaningful proof of anything.

I don't see forgery as a huge impediment. People who are proudly announcing that they will never get the vaccine are not going to forge a CDC card showing that they got it. They are going to loudly yell that they don't need a "stinkin' piece of paper."

 

[Jrb1979]

It makes me sad as I’m 29 and I see some of my friends go around acting like nothing is going on with the pandemic. I’ve hardly gone anywhere and luckily was able to get my first dose a week and a half ago. Honestly there’s some people I was close with, that I don’t think our relationship will ever be the same after this.

Same for me. Through this I have lost a lot of respect for a lot of people who I called friends.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

This is my thinking too. They will go as long as they can without these requirements and see what happens.

I would be shocked if they require anything in 2021. It would be more like 2022 at the earliest

I'm going to guess late summer/fall is when we would start to see it. At that point, theres no excuse not to get a vaccine and it'll help them with the Holiday Crowds.

 

[mmascari]

I hope we can avoid being this divisive with vaccine passports, if they actually come into play. That said, one side or the other will likely become dominant based on what people want to happen. Hopefully, we'll be able to get the virus under control to the point vaccine passports won't be necessary.

I think there’s several different reasons for vaccine passport pushback. Definitely not a singular position. For that matter, even the use of one isn’t a singular thing. Crossing international boarders, going to an 80,000 person stadium, attending a movie, or eating at a restaurant are all very different.

Proponents of a passport all seem to share a common goal at some level. To create a controlled group that can do an activity without any mitigation measures being used. Not stated, but implied is that this is desired before community spread is reduced.

For international borders, this makes sense. Those are different communities. They will likely control spread at different rates. Hence, anyone moving from worse to better being asked to prove they’re safe.

Inside and outside of a restaurant isn’t really a different community. Those use cases are all a tacit acceptance that special measures are needed to make them different. That the outside community isn’t going to control spread fast enough or ever. Lots of the pushback is that an end state, or even a prolonged time where we’ve created vaccinated people in constant contact with high spread isn’t a tenable solution. It will break down if it continues for to long. Which means we either solve spread and don’t need a passport within a community or we're just waiting for the next disaster variant to emerge. Hence, better to devote resources to vaccine hesitancy for a permanent solution.

That’s before pushback around the concept of tracking or databases or the act of providing proof to everyone being disliked. Also again separate from implementation questions on passport robustness, value, fraud risk, things with different implications for those different use cases.

The desired goal is a nice one, to be able to get back normal now sometimes. It’s the rest that’s more questionable.

 

[CatesMom]

I don't see forgery as a huge impediment. People who are proudly announcing that they will never get the vaccine are not going to forge a CDC card showing that they got it. They are going to loudly yell that they don't need a "stinkin' piece of paper."

Washington Post story from today about a guy who went to jail for refusing a temp check at Disney Springs:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2021/04/03/disney-world-kelly-sills-coronavirus/

 

[LittleBuford]

People who are proudly announcing that they will never get the vaccine are not going to forge a CDC card showing that they got it.

I disagree. If the existing cards were secure enough, the introduction of vaccine passports wouldn’t be a topic of discussion in the first place.

 

[seascape]

This is what gets me. Everyone against it is all "But my freedom!!!"

Its not a right to go to disney parks.
Its not a right to travel.
Its not a right to go to sports events
etc.

Those are all choices. You make the choice to enter these places, you make the choice to share your vaccine status.

You are right it's not a right to ho to Disney Parks or a sporting event. However, it is a Constitution right to travel between states.

I disagree. If the existing cards were secure enough, the introduction of vaccine passports wouldn’t be a topic of discussion in the first place.

The cards are also too big to fit in a normal wallet. I made a smaller copy and laminated it. I carry it with me incase some place wants proof of vaccination. I know it's not legal but I am proud I was vaccinated. Everyone should take the vaccine so we can get back to normal. There are no excuses for not doing the right things, wash your hands, social distance and take the vaccine as soon as you can get an appointment.

 

[Jrb1979]

You are right it's not a right to ho to Disney Parks or a sporting event. However, it is a Constitution right to travel between states.

It's also not a right to fly either.

 

[mmascari]

This is my thinking too. They will go as long as they can without these requirements and see what happens.

I would be shocked if they require anything in 2021. It would be more like 2022 at the earliest

This is essentially an opinion that we will not have community spread under control and will still be requiring mitigation measures into 2022. Otherwise, there would be no need for a vaccine passport. I hope this isn’t the case, or we're really screwed everywhere.

I'm going to guess late summer/fall is when we would start to see it. At that point, theres no excuse not to get a vaccine and it'll help them with the Holiday Crowds.

More aggressive than 2022, but it'll still show some massive failure if we don’t have spread under control by fall.

By the start of summer, I agree that we're not likely to have spread low enough. But then we’re talking about adding a complex system with robust controls to provide value that’s only needed for 2 or 3 months. Hardly seems worth the hassle.

 

[Jrb1979]

This is essentially an opinion that we will not have community spread under control and will still be requiring mitigation measures into 2022. Otherwise, there would be no need for a vaccine passport. I hope this isn’t the case, or we're really screwed everywhere.


More aggressive than 2022, but it'll still show some massive failure if we don’t have spread under control by fall.

By the start of summer, I agree that we're not likely to have spread low enough. But then we’re talking about adding a complex system with robust controls to provide value that’s only needed for 2 or 3 months. Hardly seems worth the hassle.

I don't think it's ever really going to get under control. I base that on the fact that a lot of younger people have no interest in the vaccine and the fact they are the ones getting severely sick now. I don't think a vaccine passport would be temporary,. Once in place it will be permanent.

 

[LittleBuford]

The best approach would be to have a variety of public figures from across the political spectrum (and from outside the world of politics) join the promotion effort. No one person can be expected to appeal to everyone—well, except perhaps Dolly Parton.