Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[ELG13]

My 16 yr old stepdaughter works at Publix and runs around town constantly still. I told her mom she needed to stop because she was visiting my previously mentioned, man cold having MIL today. This is how it spreads. This is a PERFECT example. She's around people enough at her work and then she's running all over with her friends like no big deal. Then she goes to her 70 yr old grandmothers house who just got over a cold. She still has congestion from it. The mother told me she doesn't listen to her so maybe me or my husband (her ex) could talk to her. She doesn't like being the lame mom so this stuff always falls on us. Then i find out that my MIL went to the store this morning to get out of the house and go grocery shopping (for like the 4th time this week!) with my FIL. WHAT THE HECK?!?!? I told my husband it's really hard to keep his mom well when she won't do what she's supposed to do and my FIL, who runs a lab in town, doesn't make her do it either. This kind of behavior is happening because of people who are plenty old enough to know better, just assume they won't get it and won't do better. I just can't handle it.

 

[wishiwere@wdw]

I’m gonna tiptoe into the conversation just to say that Dropkick rocks for pulling off this livestream! And to keep it relevant to Disney, maybe they could have offered livestream options for the final performances to help keep locals away??

Either way, I’m going back to my livestream and will pretend to forget that my kids out of school until at least April 14th lol

 

[JoeCamel]

@JoeCamel

Not sure your point, they will not return to the buildings this school year? So what?

 

[ELG13]

He absolutely should have. The closure of WDW at the very least should have led to him closing down anywhere people gather in large numbers, and I'd be curious to know if he knew in advance that WDW was going to announce closure.

I'm not excusing them by any means. Young people are hard-headed and generally lack ability in good decision-making. It's a fact. Unfortunately, social media is enabling them to create an echo chamber in which they only hear like-minded opinions, and are able to scoff at those with more wisdom. I keep sharing a video from residents who are part of the Italy quarantine who sent a message to their "selves" of 10 days ago in the hopes that more young people will view it - there are quite a few young people in the video who wished everyone had taken it more seriously in the beginning.

Until you don't give them a place to go, they will find places and they will continue to go out.

 

[GoofGoof]

Treasury Secretary Mnuchin warned today Republican senators that the coronavirus pandemic could drive US unemployment to 20% The unemployment rate of the great recession of 2009 peaked at 10%.

I hope that’s overblown. Even deep recessions in the past have hovered in the 10-12% range. Only the Great Depression saw rates over 20% for an extended period.

I have some hope that if we get ahead of this thing as quickly as possible and a proper stimulus is rolled out to boost consumer spending it will not get that bad. Even so I can’t imagine when the dust settles unemployment goes below 10% for a significant period of time.

 

[21stamps]

Not sure your point, they will not return to the buildings this school year? So what?

That’s not what was said!!

There’s too much hysteria and worry right now for people to be posting false information, and continuing to post after corrected. Florida has not made the decision to close schools for the remainder of the year. As of now they return 4/15.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Until you don't give them a place to go, they will find places and they will continue to go out.

EXACTLY.

 

[Giss Neric]

My 16 yr old stepdaughter works at Publix and runs around town constantly still. I told her mom she needed to stop because she was visiting my previously mentioned, man cold having MIL today. This is how it spreads. This is a PERFECT example. She's around people enough at her work and then she's running all over with her friends like no big deal. Then she goes to her 70 yr old grandmothers house who just got over a cold. She still has congestion from it. The mother told me she doesn't listen to her so maybe me or my husband (her ex) could talk to her. She doesn't like being the lame mom so this stuff always falls on us. Then i find out that my MIL went to the store this morning to get out of the house and go grocery shopping (for like the 4th time this week!) with my FIL. WHAT THE HECK?!?!? I told my husband it's really hard to keep his mom well when she won't do what she's supposed to do and my FIL, who runs a lab in town, doesn't make her do it either. This kind of behavior is happening because of people who are plenty old enough to know better, just assume they won't get it and won't do better. I just can't handle it.

She should be wearing a mask when in public or while at work. I don't know why I don't see a lot of people wearing masks. N95 masks would be preferable.

 

[Lilofan]

I hope that’s overblown. Even deep recessions in the past have hovered in the 10-12% range. Only the Great Depression saw rates over 20% for an extended period.

I have some hope that if we get ahead of this thing as quickly as possible and a proper stimulus is rolled out to boost consumer spending it will not get that bad. Even so I can’t imagine when the dust settles unemployment goes below 10% for a significant period of time.

I hope Treasury Secretary Mnuchin is wrong with his scary estimates.

 

[GoofGoof]

I hope Treasury Sec Mnuchin is wrong with his scary estimates.

Classic politician. Underpromise...overachieve. Then when its much lower than he said they can take credit for keeping it down...at least I hope thats what happens

 

[ELG13]

She should be wearing a mask when in public or while at work. I don't know why I don't see a lot of people wearing masks. N95 masks would be preferable.

N95 masks require a fit test and they aren't as reliable as once thought since the virus particles can be smaller than what it can filter.
Also, it's not so easy to just grab any mask from the local store.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

She should be wearing a mask when in public or while at work. I don't know why I don't see a lot of people wearing masks. N95 masks would be preferable.

No - because most people don't know how to correctly handle them, and they're not air-tight, so they don't prevent the virus from entering. You actually INCREASE your chances of getting COVID-19 if you wear a mask while healthy. It IS beneficial for sick people to wear N95 masks, though, because they prevent the spread by keeping sneezes and coughs under the mask.

The above doesn't even take into account that the people who need N95 masks most are healthcare workers - they are terrifyingly short on supply and they need them more than anyone else right now.

 

[Phil12]

Oh my, that is just wrong

You're just jealous.

 

[DisneyCane]

I listened to that entire press conference and don't remember hearing anyone say that the mortality rate was around .7% in reality.
We know that is the current rate in South Korea - maybe that is where the confusion lies? Yes they have a higher level of testing - but there are a whole bunch of other inputs that have allowed them to keep their infection rate lower. The raw/uncontrolled with zero precautions number would be much higher even in SK.

There also has been some early research done on how contagious people are early on:

"German study N=9 of viral shedding characteristics in confirmed Covid patients. Very high viral load early in illness, approx 1000 times greater than SARS. At DAY 8 of active symptoms, no longer able to detect active virus in samples, only viral RNA. Only viral RNA in feces, never detected active virus. They're following up now with N=23 cohort."

We should be doing more temp checks + wearing surgical masks (if for no other reason than to prevent people who are coughing or sneezing from spreading whatever infection they have to others.)

From today's official transcript, Dr. Brix stated:

"The mortality across the board, outside of Wuhan, is now settling somewhere around 0.7. But that should not be reassuring because it’s much higher in people with preexisting medical conditions, even if young, and people that are older with preexisting medical conditions."

 

[GoofGoof]

N95 masks require a fit test and they aren't as reliable as once thought since the virus particles can be smaller than what it can filter.
Also, it's not so easy to just grab any mask from the local store.

Plus that guy with 19,000 bottles of hand sanitizer also horded all the good masks too . All that’s left are the ones that come with the slutty nurse costume from party city

 

[DisneyCane]

No - because most people don't know how to correctly handle them, and they're not air-tight, so they don't prevent the virus from entering. You actually INCREASE your chances of getting COVID-19 if you wear a mask while healthy. It IS beneficial for sick people to wear N95 masks, though, because then the prevent the spread by keeping sneezes and coughs under the mask.

The above doesn't even take into account that the people who need N95 masks most are healthcare workers - they are terrifyingly short on supply and they need them more than anyone else right now.

This can not be emphasized enough. N95 masks must be reserved for healthcare workers treating patients with or suspected of being infected with COVID-19. If you want to see the healthcare system get overwhelmed, have even 10% of Doctors and Nurses unable to treat patients because they have to self isolate.

 

[Giss Neric]

N95 masks require a fit test and they aren't as reliable as once thought since the virus particles can be smaller than what it can filter.
Also, it's not so easy to just grab any mask from the local store.

No - because most people don't know how to correctly handle them, and they're not air-tight, so they don't prevent the virus from entering. You actually INCREASE your chances of getting COVID-19 if you wear a mask while healthy. It IS beneficial for sick people to wear N95 masks, though, because then the prevent the spread by keeping sneezes and coughs under the mask.

The above doesn't even take into account that the people who need N95 masks most are healthcare workers - they are terrifyingly short on supply and NEED them more than anyone else right now.

Masks are mostly to prevent people from touching their face causing not washing your hands and touching your face is one factor. Look at the other side of the world, specifically in Asia where you see almost 90% of them wearing different masks of some sort in public. I mean it's not really that effective but it lessens it.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Masks are mostly to prevent people from touching their face causing not washing your hands and touching your face is one factor. Look at the other side of the world, specifically in Asia where you see almost 90% of them wearing different masks of some sort in public. I mean it's not really that effective but it lessens it.

Use gloves then if you want to avoid touching your face. Please don't encourage wearing face masks for healthy people when there's already an enormous shortage and they should be reserved for healthcare workers.

 

[Calmdownnow]

There’s too much hysteria and worry right now for people to be posting false information, and continuing to post after corrected. Florida has not made the decision to close schools for the remainder of the year. As of now they return 4/15.

Well I guess the President must be suffering from hysteria because he said, in the last 24 hours, that this could run through July or August.

 

[GoofGoof]

In good news Amazon now has toilet paper available to be delivered free Thursday with Prime shipping.

...the bad news...it’s $13 for 1 roll and looks like this: