Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[fgmnt]

Does the fact something was published by either a conservative or liberal news organization automatically make it wrong? Texas is doing so much better than NY, NJ and Michigan it is not even worth the comparison. It is the liberal Northeast that is driving the number of Covid19 cases up not Texas and Florida.

It's a stated opinion piece. A designation of right and wrong is irrelevant to the point I was making. Regardless, now these posts will definitely be deleted because you made it political. Oh well.

 

[DisneyCane]

One thing the federal govt could do, next budget bill, as refusing to get a vaccine costs this country economically, (makes us social distance longer, still wear masks, prevents business profits) let’s give the govt some of that money back. Pass a new part of the tax code, raise everyone’s income tax by $1000 for the next 5 years, but if you can provide proof of vaccination you get $1000 tax credit. There is virtually no contraindications to the mRNA vaccines, and there likely won’t be any for the Novavax shot either and between those two options you shouldn’t be allergic to both.

The vaccine is free, it’s effective and come Dec 31 2021 will be available to all Americans with no hassle. If you want to be a drain on society you still can be, it will just cost you.

Also the federal govt is totally within its rights to do this too.

They should have done something like that in the last relief bill instead of sending $1,400 to retired people who didn't lose any income due to COVID-19. I'm all for incentives to get vaccinated.

 

[Touchdown]

They should have done something like that in the last relief bill instead of sending $1,400 to retired people who didn't lose any income due to COVID-19. I'm all for incentives to get vaccinated.

The difference is that we still don’t have enough vaccines for everyone yet, but we will by July so having to complete by Dec 31st isn’t a burden.

 

[DisneyCane]

Nobody is saying Covid restrictions should be around forever as long as there is a single case of Covid.

They may not be saying zero cases but there are posters in this thread who don't think restrictions should be lifted until community spread is extremely low, regardless of vaccine availability.

The difference is that we still don’t have enough vaccines for everyone yet, but we will by July so having to complete by Dec 31st isn’t a burden.

It could have been part of the bill to make it a 2021 tax credit if you got vaccinated in 2020 or 2021.

 

[DisneyCane]

My brother has atreo fribulation (not sure on spelling) which doesn't cause him much trouble in general, lives a very normal life. He got the vaccine, first dose was fine, second dose nearly sent him to the ER. First issues were he woke up and "felt like death, could barely move for 4 hours". Next day his heart issue flared up worse than he says it's ever been and finally calmed down shortly before he was going to have his wife take him to the hospital.

He had covid in the summer and barely noticed it.

Anecdotal, I know. He did not report these adverse reactions. So I wouldn't consider the data to be the end-all-be-all.

But judging on how some people act in this thread I'm sure my brother having these potentially life threatening reactions will be laughed at, or I'll be called a liar.

Although she didn't get quite as bad of a reaction, my moms AFIB got triggered by the second Pfizer dose. She didn't need to go to the ER but she did need to adjust her medication to stabilize it. She also had a pretty bad rash develop on her arm from the second shot which didn't occur from the first.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Like half of the “news” on covid since it first began which is a MAJOR problem and why there are so many on different sides in all of this...no one knows what or who to believe

I know who to believe. The scientists have been spot on since the beginning.. adjusting as new data comes in. Can never go wrong with relying on them! Stay away from the news on tv and you will be fine. The problem is some say this, others say that.. mostly opinion pieces and the real news gets lost in between.

 

[Heppenheimer]

It's looking like we may need a third, reformulated jab of the mRNA vaccines if we want to keep the South African variant at bay. But at least it looks like we're in good shape with the UK and Brazilian strains.

Where Do COVID Vaccines Stand Against the Variants?

Drugmakers scramble to adapt vaccines to SARS-CoV-2 variants before they outwit our immune systems.

www.medscape.com

As usual with Medscape, avoid the unmoderated garbage-fire dump comment section. A lot of those posters who claim to be physicians are clearly not, or at least, they're not practicing within the established guidelines.

 

[GhostHost1000]

I mean, you posted an opinion piece from a known conservative news outlet. I do not think it's political of me to point out the conclusion of the piece was reached before any of it was written.

Unfortunately everything has a slant regardless of where it comes from. That’s my issue with “news”

 

[GhostHost1000]

I know who to believe. The scientists have been spot on since the beginning.. adjusting as new data comes in. Can never go wrong with relying on them! Stay away from the news on tv and you will be fine. The problem is some say this, others say that.. mostly opinion pieces and the real news gets lost in between.

you lost me at the scientists have been spot on from the beginning because there are scientists who have been all over the map and still are

 

[DisneyDebRob]

you lost me at the scientists have been spot on from the beginning because there are scientists who have been all over the map and still are

Not true at all. They have been correct with the data as it comes in. You can’t quote something one day and claim the scientists were saying something different the day before and say you can’t trust them. That’s what science is. That’s how it works. I believe your smarter then that, come on.

 

[Patcheslee]

Just got told my employer will be doing Pfizer or Moderna vaccinations April 7th and May 1st at their health offices. Any employee can sign up, and gets 2 hours paid. Anyone that's already taken unpaid hours for the vaccinations are SOL. Kinda big surprising news since we are a manufacturing facility.

 

[HarperRose]

Interesting article

Texas coronavirus cases fall after mask mandate is lifted

Looks like the “Neanderthals” in Texas got it right - and President Joe Biden and the mainstream media were terribly wrong.

m.washingtontimes.com

Link a legitimate, credible source that backs up this claim (that isn't sourced back to this "article").

 

[ABQ]

you lost me at the scientists have been spot on from the beginning because there are scientists who have been all over the map and still are

I'll continue to use the same source for cases:

At this time, the 2 week trend is still downward for TX.

 

[DisneyCane]

Not true at all. They have been correct with the data as it comes in. You can’t quote something one day and claim the scientists were saying something different the day before and say you can’t trust them. That’s what science is. That’s how it works. I believe your smarter then that, come on.

It's easy to predict the weather for tomorrow if you look a bit to the west today. Drawing a conclusion after the data is available is not being "spot on." They were making educated guess opinions from the beginning and many were wrong. They should have been saying "we don't have enough data to answer that yet."

People like Fauci can always fall back on "I said 'at this time'" to pretend they weren't wrong. In late January 2020 he said that American's didn't have anything to worry about with respect to the novel coronavirus. Was that "spot on?"

 

[HarperRose]

It's amazing the amount of people who have no idea how science works (or, really, it isn't, considering the last year).

 

[DisneyDebRob]

It's easy to predict the weather for tomorrow if you look a bit to the west today. Drawing a conclusion after the data is available is not being "spot on." They were making educated guess opinions from the beginning and many were wrong. They should have been saying "we don't have enough data to answer that yet."

People like Fauci can always fall back on "I said 'at this time'" to pretend they weren't wrong. In late January 2020 he said that American's didn't have anything to worry about with respect to the novel coronavirus. Was that "spot on?"

When it comes to science, I don’t want to sound crass but for months it seems you really have no idea how it works.
When they make educated guesses, then are a bit off on some point they get hammered over and over by people like you here which you have been doing. If they take the opposite approach and say, as you just mentioned,” we don’t have enough data to answer that yet”, they are ripped for not giving any info out and not giving guidance in some form. They are in a no win situation when dealing with people like yourself.
Personally, and I would imagine most of the world would agree with is give out info as it comes along. If it needs to be changed the next hour, or the next day or the next week, I’m gone with that. It’s science. Can’t believe I’m explaining this.
Everything we do everyday, has come from some sort of science established as more data was studied. Just me typing this here evolved over time from science. Don’t pick and choose.
You didn’t disappoint with your daily shot at Fauci, now complete it with the magic mask comment and you got it all in for today.
Here it is again for your leisure time reading. The man has done more then most in his field. But he’s a dope because something he said wasn’t spot on to you. Got it.

Anthony S. Fauci, M.D.

Background information and profile of NIAID Director, Anthony S. Fauci, M.D.

www.niaid.nih.gov

 

[Dan Deesnee]

It's amazing the amount of people who have no idea how science works (or, really, it isn't, considering the last year).

You mean how current science works, where any discussion against the already agreed up on narrative can lead to careers being ruined or it just gets ignored entirely? Science looks more and more like a religion to me with each passing year, just my opinion.

Great write up from a few years back I somehow managed to find in my browser history - https://www.sciencemag.org/careers/2016/07/how-scientific-culture-discourages-new-ideas

Also, can you blame people for not trusting Fauci? He said masks do nothing and don't wear them when this started, then completely flip flopped with some terrible excuse about lying so that medical workers had enough masks.

Leaving the thread for good. Same Carousel of No-Progress.

 

[danlb_2000]

Interesting article

Texas coronavirus cases fall after mask mandate is lifted

Looks like the “Neanderthals” in Texas got it right - and President Joe Biden and the mainstream media were terribly wrong.

m.washingtontimes.com

This statement is a problem, because we have no way of knowing how different the numbers in NJ and NY would be if they didn't have the mitigation. Maybe without mitigation the cases would be increasing even more dramatically.

"Yet, mask mandates and limiting business capacity doesn’t seem to be helping New Jersey or New York. "

 

[DCBaker]

 

[DisneyCane]

When it comes to science, I don’t want to sound crass but for months it seems you really have no idea how it works.
When they make educated guesses, then are a bit off on some point they get hammered over and over by people like you here which you have been doing. If they take the opposite approach and say, as you just mentioned,” we don’t have enough data to answer that yet”, they are ripped for not giving any info out and not giving guidance in some form. They are in a no win situation when dealing with people like yourself.
Personally, and I would imagine most of the world would agree with is give out info as it comes along. If it needs to be changed the next hour, or the next day or the next week, I’m gone with that. It’s science. Can’t believe I’m explaining this.
Everything we do everyday, has come from some sort of science established as more data was studied. Just me typing this here evolved over time from science. Don’t pick and choose.
You didn’t disappoint with your daily shot at Fauci, now complete it with the magic mask comment and you got it all in for today.
Here it is again for your leisure time reading. The man has done more then most in his career in his field. But he’s a dope because something he said wasn’t spot on to you. Got it.

Anthony S. Fauci, M.D.

Background information and profile of NIAID Director, Anthony S. Fauci, M.D.

www.niaid.nih.gov

I know how science works. The "experts" continually skipped from "hypothesis" to "report conclusions" without testing and analyzing data first. Then they would revise conclusions after the data came in.

I never said Fauci was a dope. He is certainly knowledgeable in infectious disease. That doesn't preclude him from stating opinions as fact or having a power trip because he was in the public eye for the first time in his career.