Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[lazyboy97o]

his point was that the same people pointing in shrieking at many in here that choosing to drop some mitigation’s once vaccinated and or for other reasons, are the same people who will NOT be masking, socially isolating, and following other precautions during a normal flu season. Even though this past fall proved it WILL reduce flu cases, WILL reduce flu hospitalizations and WILL reduce flu deaths.

How do we know people’s view on how to handle the flu? I’ve done mask, distancing and isolating when I get the flu for years. Every doctor’s office or hospital I’ve been in during the last 10 years has required masks for those with cold and flu symptoms and many have a separate waiting area for those patients. Culturally we absolutely should keep masks for those exhibiting respiratory symptoms and send people home if they have flu symptoms, and make it easier for them to go home when sick.

 

[SamusAranX]

How do we know people’s view on how to handle the flu? I’ve done mask, distancing and isolating when I get the flu for years. Every doctor’s office or hospital I’ve been in during the last 10 years has required masks for those with cold and flu symptoms and many have a separate waiting area for those patients. Culturally we absolutely should keep masks for those exhibiting respiratory symptoms and send people home if they have flu symptoms, and make it easier for them to go home when sick.

I don’t mean as an individual. I meant in public as a mass prevention mitigation. And not just masks. If social distancing and masks have been shown to reduce cases to virtually nil every season, then why isn’t every flu season there a shutdown and / or phased lockdown? Otherwise, we voluntarily choose as a society to leave lives on the table

 

[GoofGoof]

At risk of speaking for him I don’t think his point was the flu is worse then covid. It’s not.

his point was that the same people pointing in shrieking at many in here that choosing to drop some mitigation’s once vaccinated and or for other reasons, are the same people who will NOT be masking, socially isolating, and following other precautions during a normal flu season. Even though this past fall proved it WILL reduce flu cases, WILL reduce flu hospitalizations and WILL reduce flu deaths.

There’s a flu vaccine. It’s available to anyone who wants it every year. I get one every year and I get one for my kids too. When the covid vaccine is available to anyone who wants it then we should drop the restrictions. Nobody is saying Covid restrictions should be around forever as long as there is a single case of Covid.

 

[SamusAranX]

There’s a flu vaccine. It’s available to anyone who wants it every year. I get one every year and I get one for my kids too. When the covid vaccine is available to anyone who wants it then we should drop the restrictions. Nobody is saying Covid restrictions should be around forever as long as there is a single case of Covid.

Exactly and that’s my stance as well. Until then I choose to mitigate best I can while still trying to lead some semblance of a normal life. I just know at the same time, there are some out there who think that we shouldn’t mitigate until cases are practically zero. Which is impractical at best and impossible at worst

 

[_caleb]

Exactly and that’s my stance as well. Until then I choose to mitigate best I can while still trying to lead some semblance of a normal life. I just know at the same time, there are some out there who think that we shouldn’t mitigate until cases are practically zero. Which is impractical at best and impossible at worst

Who is saying we should wait until cases are practically zero before we drop mitigation measures?

 

[Tom P.]

There’s a flu vaccine. It’s available to anyone who wants it every year. I get one every year and I get one for my kids too. When the covid vaccine is available to anyone who wants it then we should drop the restrictions. Nobody is saying Covid restrictions should be around forever as long as there is a single case of Covid.

 

[SamusAranX]

Who is saying we should wait until cases are practically zero before we drop mitigation measures?

A few posters in this thread. Not you though. You’ve been a fairly reasonable guy to talk to

 

[_caleb]

A few posters in this thread. Not you though. You’ve been a fairly reasonable guy to talk to

REPORTED. Nobody calls me ”reasonable!” I won’t stand for it!

 

[hopemax]

My brother has atreo fribulation (not sure on spelling) which doesn't cause him much trouble in general, lives a very normal life. He got the vaccine, first dose was fine, second dose nearly sent him to the ER. First issues were he woke up and "felt like death, could barely move for 4 hours". Next day his heart issue flared up worse than he says it's ever been and finally calmed down shortly before he was going to have his wife take him to the hospital.

He had covid in the summer and barely noticed it.

Anecdotal, I know. He did not report these adverse reactions. So I wouldn't consider the data to be the end-all-be-all.

But judging on how some people act in this thread I'm sure my brother having these potentially life threatening reactions will be laughed at, or I'll be called a liar.

I'm sure that was scary for your brother. I Googled atrial fibrillation and COVID vaccine, and the first hit was someone posting on a message board about pro-actively hydrating themselves, because fever is a known reaction to the vaccine and dehydration + stress is a known trigger for an AFib attack. Everyone is living with extra stress this year, and getting a shot in the arm is a stressful situation even if our mind knows that we shouldn't be stressed. By not reporting what happened, your brother denied himself and the rest of you the opportunity to examine how serious it was (was he in real danger, or did it just feel that way?) or what other reasons could have contributed to his attack besides a safety issue with the vaccine.

So far the studies have indicated that people with AFib experience worse outcomes from COVID than on average. Your brother was fortunate to not have experienced one of those worse consequences. His outcome for both the infection and the vaccine in both cases could be atypical, which is why data and not anecdotes have to be how we make decisions.

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Overview

COVID-19 is a new type of coronavirus that causes mild to severe cases. Here’s a quick guide on how to spot symptoms, risk factors, prevent spread of the disease, and find out what to do if you think you have it.

www.webmd.com

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Life is full of “best guess” choices...we are required to make them almost every single day...

there is really no way to make a compelling argument that taking the vaccine and trying to stay clear of spread just a tad longer isn’t the “best guess” choice here for 99.99999% of the lost humanoid population.

so this is yet another debate without “two sides”. We’re re-inventing the wheel Again.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I don’t mean as an individual. I meant in public as a mass prevention mitigation. And not just masks. If social distancing and masks have been shown to reduce cases to virtually nil every season, then why isn’t every flu season there a shutdown and / or phased lockdown? Otherwise, we voluntarily choose as a society to leave lives on the table

because the flu didn’t start in 2019 and we were “behind” on mRNA sequencing and UV hvac filtering until somewhat recently...

...and so we have taken our lumps for 4.4 billion years: we’re slow learners. Why do large amounts of humans still light plants on fire in their mouths that cause significant occurrences of slow, painful deaths where you drown in your own fluids?

not bright.

the drop of seasonal flu to near ZERO in the US this past season shows that we weren’t all that bright prior to covid. Still have a thing or two to learn.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

My brother has atreo fribulation (not sure on spelling) which doesn't cause him much trouble in general, lives a very normal life. He got the vaccine, first dose was fine, second dose nearly sent him to the ER. First issues were he woke up and "felt like death, could barely move for 4 hours". Next day his heart issue flared up worse than he says it's ever been and finally calmed down shortly before he was going to have his wife take him to the hospital.

He had covid in the summer and barely noticed it.

Anecdotal, I know. He did not report these adverse reactions. So I wouldn't consider the data to be the end-all-be-all.

But judging on how some people act in this thread I'm sure my brother having these potentially life threatening reactions will be laughed at, or I'll be called a liar.

that individual incident does absolutely nothing to affect whether the vaccine plan is the correct course of action as far as public health.

some people have gotten a splinter and developed such a bad case of sepsis that it was too late by the time they see a physician. We shouldn’t “not trust” wood...at least not for that reason.

there are always quirky outliers.

 

[GhostHost1000]

Interesting article

Texas coronavirus cases fall after mask mandate is lifted

Looks like the “Neanderthals” in Texas got it right - and President Joe Biden and the mainstream media were terribly wrong.

m.washingtontimes.com

 

[seascape]

Florida is still too high with 24 cases per 100,000. NY is no longer number 1 as Michigan with 54 has gained the spot at the worst place for Covid19 but NJ and NY are at 50 and 51 respectively. These 3 states are why the country is now at 20 cases per 100,000.

On the positive side, the number of Americans who are vaccinated continues to grow and even better the number who say they will take it is also increasing. We are hopefully going through the last bump in numbers but not a full spike. We need to be positive do the right thing.

 

[JoeCamel]

Interesting article

Texas coronavirus cases fall after mask mandate is lifted

Looks like the “Neanderthals” in Texas got it right - and President Joe Biden and the mainstream media were terribly wrong.

m.washingtontimes.com

Sure if you just lie and make stuff up

 

[correcaminos]

Exactly and that’s my stance as well. Until then I choose to mitigate best I can while still trying to lead some semblance of a normal life. I just know at the same time, there are some out there who think that we shouldn’t mitigate until cases are practically zero. Which is impractical at best and impossible at worst

I would love cases to be zero and I would love to keep distancing cuz I hate people touching me lol but as long as this is decently controlled I won't need zero. Or even close to zero. I actually care more about hospitalized and deaths than recorded numbers. Similar to the flu. I will say masks when it's freaking cold out is great so I might just continue next year lol

And in other news

Pfizer says its COVID-19 vaccine is 100% effective in children ages 12-15

Pfizer and BioNTech's COVID-19 vaccine is 100% effective against the virus in children ages 12 to 15, the companies announced Wednesday.

abcnews.go.com

 

[GhostHost1000]

Sure if you just lie and make stuff up

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Like half of the “news” on covid since it first began which is a MAJOR problem and why there are so many on different sides in all of this...no one knows what or who to believe

 

[fgmnt]

Like half of the “news” on covid since it first began which is a MAJOR problem and why there are so many on different sides in all of this...no one knows what or who to believe

I mean, you posted an opinion piece from a known conservative news outlet. I do not think it's political of me to point out the conclusion of the piece was reached before any of it was written.

 

[seascape]

I mean, you posted an opinion piece from a known conservative news outlet. I do not think it's political of me to point out the conclusion of the piece was reached before any of it was written.

Does the fact something was published by either a conservative or liberal news organization automatically make it wrong? Texas is doing so much better than NY, NJ and Michigan it is not even worth the comparison. It is the liberal Northeast that is driving the number of Covid19 cases up not Texas and Florida.

 

[Touchdown]

One thing the federal govt could do, next budget bill, as refusing to get a vaccine costs this country economically, (makes us social distance longer, still wear masks, prevents business profits) let’s give the govt some of that money back. Pass a new part of the tax code, raise everyone’s income tax by $1000 for the next 5 years, but if you can provide proof of vaccination you get $1000 tax credit. There is virtually no contraindications to the mRNA vaccines, and there likely won’t be any for the Novavax shot either and between those two options you shouldn’t be allergic to both.

The vaccine is free, it’s effective and come Dec 31 2021 will be available to all Americans with no hassle. If you want to be a drain on society you still can be, it will just cost you.

Also the federal govt is totally within its rights to do this too.