Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Kevin_W

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Completely anecdotal, but my parent’s neighbor is 65+ and wants the vaccine but she isn’t going to scramble to get an appointment, she told them she would just wait until she could go to her doctor’s office to get it. I think there are going to be a lot of people in that category.

I've heard the same from a co-worker. Will get the shot, but just wants to go to his regular doctor or walk into a grocery store without the hassle of an appointment. Hopefully as things get easier we pull more of those people in.
 

Kevin_W

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Color me a bit skeptical. They tout that it kills "99.9%" of viruses, but no mention if it actually prevents infection if exposed. 99.9% may sound impressive, but when you're dealing with viral loads measured in powers of 10, a 99.9% could still leave millions to billions of viral particles unaffected.

This sounds a bit too much like products that are touted as a cure for "cancer", as if cancer was a single disease that could ever respond to a single agent..

I'm definitely skeptical well. With all the experimental treatments that have gotten rushed through approvals int he past year, I doubt regulators would just ignore a cheap, effective nasal spray. But who knows.

Regarding 99.9%. Yes, that still leaves a lot of particles, but if you reduce concentration by 3 orders of magnitude, hopefully that leaves something your immune system is able to deal with mroe easily (same philosophy as masks, distancing, etc.)
 

Heppenheimer

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Overall in the US we are up to 69.2% of the 65+ group vaccinated. Demand is very different from state to state and even areas within the state. I still know some 65+ people in PA who are searching but haven’t been able to find an appointment. It seems like in a lot of other states the demand is slowing. Herd immunity could very well be reached geographically but not nationally which is bad news for a place like WDW which attracts guests from all over.

One thing to consider is this is just the initial phase of vaccinating the people who said they wanted the vaccine as soon as it was available. Most people who have gotten the vaccine so far has made a pretty substantial effort to do so. The pull phase is coming real soon when there is more of an effort to pull people off of the fence and bring them in. Completely anecdotal, but my parent’s neighbor is 65+ and wants the vaccine but she isn’t going to scramble to get an appointment, she told them she would just wait until she could go to her doctor’s office to get it. I think there are going to be a lot of people in that category. The next phase will need to attract them in and success or failure will depend on who well we accomplish that. The speed at which we relax restrictions is also going to be based on how fast we vaccinate people.
I really hope that's it and many people are just waiting for the process to be more convenient. Otherwise...:eek:
 

GimpYancIent

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I really hope that's it and many people are just waiting for the process to be more convenient. Otherwise...:eek:
There you go! Convenient! Yes, there will be more vaccination acceptance when people (regardless of age) can go to their Doctor, clinic, pharmacy, CVS, Walgreens etc. and receive the vaccine at their convenience on request with out all the bureaucratic hoops currently in place.
 

GimpYancIent

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Vaccine card will be mailed to me. No plans for expanding dosing in trials outside of small group they have. Hope April or may for teen results. They were running some AZ antibody trials too. No shots there though. Just the Pfizer-BioNTech. Way too early for me to be out there today lol
Card mailed to you?
 

danlb_2000

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"Results from a U.S. trial of AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine may have included “outdated information” and that could mean the company provided an incomplete view of efficacy data, American federal health officials said early Tuesday.

A spokesman from the drug company said Tuesday it was “looking into it.”

AstraZeneca reported Monday that its COVID-19 vaccine provided strong protection among adults of all ages in a long-anticipated U.S. study, a finding that some experts hoped would help rebuild public confidence in the shot around the world and move it a step closer to clearance in the U.S.

In the study of more than 30,000 people, the company reported that the vaccine was found to be 79% effective at preventing symptomatic cases of COVID-19 — including in older adults. There were no severe illnesses or hospitalizations among vaccinated volunteers, compared with five such cases in participants who received dummy shots — a small number, but consistent with findings from Britain and other countries that the vaccine protects against the worst of the disease.

AstraZeneca also said the study’s independent safety monitors found no serious side effects, including no increased risk of rare blood clots like those identified in Europe, a scare that led numerous countries to briefly suspend vaccinations last week.

But just hours after those encouraging results were reported, the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases issued an unusual statement.

The agency said the Data and Safety Monitoring Board “expressed concern that AstraZeneca may have included outdated information from that trial, which may have provided an incomplete view of the efficacy data.”

“We urge the company to work with the DSMB to review the efficacy data and ensure the most accurate, up-to-date efficacy data be made public as quickly as possible,” the statement added.

The company aims to file an application with the Food and Drug Administration in the coming weeks, and the government’s outside advisers will then publicly debate the evidence.

Authorization and guidelines for use of the vaccine in the United States will be determined by the FDA and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention after thorough review of the data by independent advisory committees."


There is also some very promising work being done on COVID anti-virals that can be given in pill form.
 

correcaminos

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Card mailed to you?
Yes, mailed to me. Otherwise I have to drive about 30-40 mins each way (more if bad traffic) just to pick it up. Trials are not the same as the vaccination process the general public goes through. They don't just stamp a card and hand it to you after you get jabbed as that would destroy the blinded portion. To get the card, they have to go through roughly 22k people and verify before sending. So they'll mail it in case people won't take the letter I have as verification.

No KK for me though lol
 

Heppenheimer

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There you go! Convenient! Yes, there will be more vaccination acceptance when people (regardless of age) can go to their Doctor, clinic, pharmacy, CVS, Walgreens etc. and receive the vaccine at their convenience on request with out all the bureaucratic hoops currently in place.
The storage requirements for Pzifer-BIONTECH and Moderna will probably mean that most physician's offices won't be offering the vaccines, however.
 

ABQ

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Overall in the US we are up to 69.2% of the 65+ group vaccinated. Demand is very different from state to state and even areas within the state. I still know some 65+ people in PA who are searching but haven’t been able to find an appointment. It seems like in a lot of other states the demand is slowing. Herd immunity could very well be reached geographically but not nationally which is bad news for a place like WDW which attracts guests from all over.

One thing to consider is this is just the initial phase of vaccinating the people who said they wanted the vaccine as soon as it was available. Most people who have gotten the vaccine so far has made a pretty substantial effort to do so. The pull phase is coming real soon when there is more of an effort to pull people off of the fence and bring them in. Completely anecdotal, but my parent’s neighbor is 65+ and wants the vaccine but she isn’t going to scramble to get an appointment, she told them she would just wait until she could go to her doctor’s office to get it. I think there are going to be a lot of people in that category. The next phase will need to attract them in and success or failure will depend on who well we accomplish that. The speed at which we relax restrictions is also going to be based on how fast we vaccinate people.
If the single dose J&J vax becomes the most available, I think you'll get more fence sitters to take it. Less trouble with a one and done will make them more likely to go through the effort.
 

DisneyDebRob

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1st shot of Pfizer done and haven’t grown a new arm yet. Most importantly though, I can now get my Krispy Kreme everyday with the card through 2021! Ok, not getting one daily but having a store about 2.2 miles away, not that I ever checked the distanced, will be tough not to just swing by.
Props to the many healthcare workers who had the vaccinations moving along like they have been doing it for years. Friendly and respectful to all.. great job!
 

GhostHost1000

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1st shot of Pfizer done and haven’t grown a new arm yet. Most importantly though, I can now get my Krispy Kreme everyday with the card through 2021! Ok, not getting one daily but having a store about 2.2 miles away, not that I ever checked the distanced, will be tough not to just swing by.
Props to the many healthcare workers who had the vaccinations moving along like they have been doing it for years. Friendly and respectful to all.. great job!
I got my first shot of Pfizer yesterday and all is well. Some arm soreness today (moreso than any flu shot I’ve had) but not bad and will get the second in 3 weeks
 

correcaminos

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I really hope that's it and many people are just waiting for the process to be more convenient. Otherwise...:eek:
People are still having issues getting in too. Let's be real, those who are tech savvy or know someone who is will have a better chance. My dad has dear friends in FL in their 80s who just found a shot for a week or so and an hour away. Some of my friends are going to more rural areas because the hour out and back is easier than the many many hours wasted trying to look. I've easily spent multiple hours per person helping if they cannot make the drive.

I am quite concerned about the ease in the rural areas. There are some pharmacies that are known no waste clinics that many have gotten into. I'm concerned the covid hoaxer don't need to wear a mask types are not going to get it. At least today I am. Mood might change later...
 

Stupido

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It's so crazy how diverse peoples experience with the vaccine has been. I've watched family members, co-workers, and friends struggle for weeks trying to get an appointments up here in New York. Then someone sent me a link to this nonprofit organization that searches canceled appointments and redistributes them to people needing them. Last Tuesday I messaged them at 8am, and by 11am I had a needle in my arm. I've seen so much wild behavior when it comes to getting appointments from nepotism to people purchasing their appointment. This roll out has been an absolute mess, and I sincerely hope it gets easier for all parties involved.

If anyone in NY is eligible and wants that nonprofit link, feel free to message me!
 
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Think Tink

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In the Parks
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1st shot of Pfizer done and haven’t grown a new arm yet. Most importantly though, I can now get my Krispy Kreme everyday with the card through 2021! Ok, not getting one daily but having a store about 2.2 miles away, not that I ever checked the distanced, will be tough not to just swing by.
Props to the many healthcare workers who had the vaccinations moving along like they have been doing it for years. Friendly and respectful to all.. great job!
Yay! I’m getting Pfizer tomorrow. I was able to get an appointment at a Rite Aid in the middle of no where sooner than the mass vaxx site next week. :)

so no third arm, but what about a new leg?
 

Tom P.

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I’m still concerned we won’t get 50% vaccinated. Then what. How do we move forward
I don't mean to sound cruel and heartless, but at some point we just move forward and if someone doesn't get vaccinated, that's on them. The vaccines are extremely effective at preventing any symptoms at all, but they are basically 100% effective at preventing hospitalizations and deaths. So once you are fully vaccinated, you are good to go. The only reason not to resume a fully normal life at that point is concern about protecting others. Which is a perfectly reasonable concern to have right now.

But, as far as I am concerned, once vaccines are available to anyone who wants them, and you've given them a reasonable amount of time to get them, then you go back to normal and anyone who chooses not to be vaccinated is accepting the consequences. We can debate about whether you lift restrictions now or in the summer or in the fall, but no one thinks that society can go on like this indefinitely. At some point, you educate people as much as you can, you try to get people to make the correct decision, and then you go on with life.

FWIW, though, I'm not worried about crossing the 50% threshold that you mention. I think we'll get there at least without issue.
 
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