danlb_2000
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I never understood the concern about fingerprint scanners. You are touching so many other surfaces in the park, one finger on a scanner is hardly going to make a difference.
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I never understood the concern about fingerprint scanners. You are touching so many other surfaces in the park, one finger on a scanner is hardly going to make a difference.
"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Friday revised its guidance on social distancing in schools, saying most students can now sit three feet apart instead of six feet so long as they are wearing masks.
The recommendation is for all K-12 students, regardless of whether community transmission is low, moderate or substantial, the CDC said.
In communities where transmission is high, the CDC recommends that middle school and high school students remain at least six feet apart if schools aren’t able to keep students and teachers in assigned groups, the agency said. In elementary schools, where younger children have been shown to be at less risk of transmitting the virus than teens, kids can stay safe at three feet apart with masks, the CDC said.
The CDC said it continues to recommend at least six feet distance between adults in schools and between adults and students. It also still recommends six feet social distancing in common areas, when eating, during in-door activities, such as band practice and sports, and in settings outside of the classroom.
“CDC is committed to leading with science and updating our guidance as new evidence emerges,” CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said in a statement. “Safe in-person instruction gives our kids access to critical social and mental health services that prepare them for the future, in addition to the education they need to succeed.”
The updated guidance from federal health officials comes after a study published last week in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases suggested public schools could safely reopen as long as kids were three feet apart and other mitigation measures, such as wearing masks, were enforced.
Some schools had complained that maintaining a six feet rule was not feasible. The World Health Organization and the American Academy of Pediatrics have both OK’d three feet social distancing. White House chief medical advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci said Thursday that shortened social guidelines would “likely” happen."
www.cnbc.com
The recommendation is for all K-12 students, regardless of whether community transmission is low, moderate or substantial, the CDC said.
In communities where transmission is high, the CDC recommends that middle school and high school students remain at least six feet apart if schools aren’t able to keep students and teachers in assigned groups, the agency said. In elementary schools, where younger children have been shown to be at less risk of transmitting the virus than teens, kids can stay safe at three feet apart with masks, the CDC said.
The CDC said it continues to recommend at least six feet distance between adults in schools and between adults and students. It also still recommends six feet social distancing in common areas, when eating, during in-door activities, such as band practice and sports, and in settings outside of the classroom.
“CDC is committed to leading with science and updating our guidance as new evidence emerges,” CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said in a statement. “Safe in-person instruction gives our kids access to critical social and mental health services that prepare them for the future, in addition to the education they need to succeed.”
The updated guidance from federal health officials comes after a study published last week in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases suggested public schools could safely reopen as long as kids were three feet apart and other mitigation measures, such as wearing masks, were enforced.
Some schools had complained that maintaining a six feet rule was not feasible. The World Health Organization and the American Academy of Pediatrics have both OK’d three feet social distancing. White House chief medical advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci said Thursday that shortened social guidelines would “likely” happen."
CDC shortens Covid social distancing guidelines for kids in school to 3 feet with masks
The CDC recommendation is for all K-12 students, regardless of whether community transmission is low, moderate or substantial.
Chi84
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No one wants their kid to get sick, but there's a difference between the government limiting their activities because of a pandemic and a parent doing so voluntarily because they don't want to deal with illness. I think the point of the articles I've been reading is that kids are much, much less likely to get sick. There will always be a chance of illness, and that chance is magnified because of COVID. The issue is what this means in terms of public health policy - individual decisions about vacations at this time will always rest with the parents.
JoeCamel
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Paul's neighbor had the correct read on him long ago. Some people are just one
MaryJaneP
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The article from the Atlantic, included in GoofGoof's post above, is from an economist, not a known medical specialist. In the article, even she notes the CDC will likely continue recommending masks as, and to quote her from the article, "It will continue to recommend masks, for the sake of protecting the unvaccinated population, because the science on transmission by the vaccinated is still hazy." One way to read this is to cautiously begin small gatherings while remaining vigilant and continuing to use some mitigation suggestions. If the transmission by vaccinated is hazy, what is the science on transmission by Covid-19 survivors?
As to why try schools yet this year, we see just about every other effort mock-up or test stuff before going forward full bore. Maybe trying the schools this spring, even if it is for only a few months or even weeks, is to help identify problems and work on solutions prior to a full return to school in August or September. Not sure that is what they are thinking but a trial run now seems to be a possibly smart move.
Hopefully WDW can incorporate all this information and safely entertain each of us that want to visit.
As to why try schools yet this year, we see just about every other effort mock-up or test stuff before going forward full bore. Maybe trying the schools this spring, even if it is for only a few months or even weeks, is to help identify problems and work on solutions prior to a full return to school in August or September. Not sure that is what they are thinking but a trial run now seems to be a possibly smart move.
Hopefully WDW can incorporate all this information and safely entertain each of us that want to visit.
Chi84
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There's a flip side to this, though. In the first article I read about the Rand-Fauci clash, it was reported that one of the senators said they wore a mask to "give comfort to others." I believe Rand made reference to that comment. That kind of statement has to stop because all it does is trigger people. Masks should be used for one purpose only - to stop the spread of the virus - and their use should be based on science. Everything Fauci said made sense to me; the comment about giving comfort to others did not.
A leader giving an indoor dinner party after telling others not to do so is hypocritical and should cause people to get upset. And I believe people would get on board with a statement that, until most people are vaccinated, everyone must social distance and wear masks because enforcement would otherwise not be possible. Enforcement is a valid reason. But grandstanding is useless, and it goes both ways. Officials wearing masks when they are nowhere near another person is silly; I would rather have them make a brief statement as to why the circumstances do not require it.
Big difference as:
1 -- It's a mandatory touch point. A conscientious guest could largely avoid most bare handed touches. It's not that hard to get through a day at WDW without many touches.
2 -- It's thousands of people per day touching the exact same tiny spot.
CDC changed recommendations for schools to three feet. They noted that transmission between staff members is still more common, and therefore continue to recommend 6 feet between adults..
So I don't expect any change to WDW social distancing as a result of this new recommendation.
So I don't expect any change to WDW social distancing as a result of this new recommendation.
It's been 36 minutes since I got the Washington Post alert and 34 minutes since this post."The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Friday revised its guidance on social distancing in schools, saying most students can now sit three feet apart instead of six feet so long as they are wearing masks.
The recommendation is for all K-12 students, regardless of whether community transmission is low, moderate or substantial, the CDC said.
In communities where transmission is high, the CDC recommends that middle school and high school students remain at least six feet apart if schools aren’t able to keep students and teachers in assigned groups, the agency said. In elementary schools, where younger children have been shown to be at less risk of transmitting the virus than teens, kids can stay safe at three feet apart with masks, the CDC said.
The CDC said it continues to recommend at least six feet distance between adults in schools and between adults and students. It also still recommends six feet social distancing in common areas, when eating, during in-door activities, such as band practice and sports, and in settings outside of the classroom.
“CDC is committed to leading with science and updating our guidance as new evidence emerges,” CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said in a statement. “Safe in-person instruction gives our kids access to critical social and mental health services that prepare them for the future, in addition to the education they need to succeed.”
The updated guidance from federal health officials comes after a study published last week in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases suggested public schools could safely reopen as long as kids were three feet apart and other mitigation measures, such as wearing masks, were enforced.
Some schools had complained that maintaining a six feet rule was not feasible. The World Health Organization and the American Academy of Pediatrics have both OK’d three feet social distancing. White House chief medical advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci said Thursday that shortened social guidelines would “likely” happen."
CDC shortens Covid social distancing guidelines for kids in school to 3 feet with masks
The CDC recommendation is for all K-12 students, regardless of whether community transmission is low, moderate or substantial.
Where's the link to the actual CDC release of the guideline with all the nuance details left out of the story headlines?
That's the breaking news topic I come to this discussion for. Who's slacking?
Re-infection by new variants isn't conjecture. More and more evidence is emerging that naturally acquired immunity is not very protective for a very long period of time against some of the newer variants.
Brazil is becoming the case study in this, where their entire hospital system is again being overwhelmed -- largely by re-infection.
Covid-19: Is Manaus the final nail in the coffin for natural herd immunity?
Many thought a second wave was impossible in Brazil’s Amazon because of the severity of the first. A second crisis has stunned the city of Manaus, reports Luke Taylor , and raises questions around a new variant and the likelihood of natural herd immunity Hospitals in the Brazilian Amazon...
While it's still being studied, it is far from being just "conjecture."
DisneyCane
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All indications are that a vaccinated person is around 90% (at least with Pfizer and Moderna) protected against becoming infected at all. The CDC has previously said that somebody who is infected is likely only contagious for around five days. That's where they came up with lowering the isolation time for somebody who tests positive to ten days.
Other science has determined that people who remain completely asymptomatic are not likely to transmit the virus at all. When applied to vaccinated people, this brings the percentage who won't be spreaders to around 95% (again with Pfizer and Moderna for sure).
In best case laboratory tests, cloth face coverings were found to block 70% of SARS-Cov-2 sized particles. This is not the same as being 70% effective in preventing transmission but even if it was, it is far lower than the prevention of transmission provided by vaccination.
Assuming masks are effective (not looking to debate that and derail the thread), other than the logistics of having to figure out who is vaccinated, there is absolutely no justification for a person who has been fully vaccinated to continue to be required to wear a face covering.
TrainsOfDisney
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Source?
The only ones wearing masks perhaps will be some of the wrestlers.
DisneyFan32
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is Brazil is still working on a vaccine to stop variants?Re-infection by new variants isn't conjecture. More and more evidence is emerging that naturally acquired immunity is not very protective for a very long period of time against some of the newer variants.
Brazil is becoming the case study in this, where their entire hospital system is again being overwhelmed -- largely by re-infection.
Covid-19: Is Manaus the final nail in the coffin for natural herd immunity?
Many thought a second wave was impossible in Brazil’s Amazon because of the severity of the first. A second crisis has stunned the city of Manaus, reports Luke Taylor , and raises questions around a new variant and the likelihood of natural herd immunity Hospitals in the Brazilian Amazon...www.bmj.com
While it's still being studied, it is far from being just "conjecture."
HarperRose
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It's a good thought, but when you scale it up for the size of WDW, all the tens of thousands of resort rooms they have, I'd think the cost would become prohibitive.
(I honestly have no idea how much the technology costs to implement, it may not be as expensive as I think.)
MaryJaneP
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Doesn't this directly contradict much of the prior science that asymptomatic transmission was the primary cause of the pandemic? Not even sure the mask argument is even about incoming infections alone. Both directions seem to be in play here.
Heppenheimer
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But as noted... all the data we have of the efficacy of the vaccines was performed on the original strain of the virus. We now have at least three different, far more contagious variants circulating in the country, and at least one will likely be the dominant variant by the end of April. We don't have in vivo data on how well the current vaccines stack up against these variants in terms of reduction in symptomatic cases, hospitalizations, deaths or virulence, but we have at least some in vitro data to suggest that they may not be as effective.
So, unless we really want to risk going right back to square one YET AGAIN, perhaps continuing to observe precautions for now might be more than warranted.
hopemax
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The person who wrote this article is the same person who published the MA school study. Don’t think this article equates to “more information that children are safe.” Unless you think us posting the same thing 10 times is more proof than posting an idea once.
Your Unvaccinated Kid Is Like a Vaccinated Grandma
Parents should bet on vacations with their kids this summer.www.theatlantic.com
I haven’t read much about kids and COVID but this is the third article in as many days that I’ve seen about lower risks and children, maybe because thoughts are turning to the next school year. Could this be why they’re treating schools differently?
Virologists on my EpiTwitter are banging their heads about how wrong and not based in science her statements are in terms of vectors, transmission control and herd immunity. We will all pay for the idea that parents will think they can take their kid wherever without consequences. It’s one thing to say kids can safely visit in a small family group or have a local play date and then extrapolate to this. But again, she’s saying something people want to hear, so she will be deemed truthful and credible and not someone who is talking outside of her area of expertise about something that is a serious part of really making sure the pandemic has a permanent ending, instead of us chasing our tail.
LaughingGravy
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NJ has stepped up with a lot more opportunities for vaccination. I know someone who had an appt. for June which got moved up to today. We may be able to have a nice summer, but only if everyone cooperates and keeps good habits, distances and also masks unless you are only with people who have also been vaccinated AND have waited two weeks after whatever the last shot was for the full immunization.
Sadly, this past weekend I picked up sandwich at a diner which was fully 75% filled or more with people waiting for tables in very close quarters, only a few masks by some staff members and no distancing to speak of. Same with the little league coaches, kids and parents. Not a mask in sight and no distancing. I thought I was in Texas. Oh, and starting today 3-19-21, the NJ governor opened up restaurant capacity to 50%, with masks and distancing still in place. This is not going to end well anytime soon.
Sadly, this past weekend I picked up sandwich at a diner which was fully 75% filled or more with people waiting for tables in very close quarters, only a few masks by some staff members and no distancing to speak of. Same with the little league coaches, kids and parents. Not a mask in sight and no distancing. I thought I was in Texas. Oh, and starting today 3-19-21, the NJ governor opened up restaurant capacity to 50%, with masks and distancing still in place. This is not going to end well anytime soon.
danlb_2000
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Don't confuse asymptomatic with pre-symptomatic.
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