Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[TXRob]

Can I ask them to blend the food so I can just suck the food thru the mask? Cuz science.

 

[GimpYancIent]

Can I ask them to blend the food so I can just suck the food thru the mask? Cuz science.

I like that thought. By blending the food that will reduce the need for any chewing thus more efficiently consumed meaning less time needed to sit at a table and less time in the restaurant resulting in faster customer turn over. Bottom line being less time in the restaurant means less time to have to worry about enforcing mask rules. Talk about a domino effect.

 

[mmascari]

For nursing homes, it should be fairly easy, have the would be visitor sign a release of medical records to them and then verify vaccination with the state DHS.

Are states DHS set up to do that?

Are all vaccination sires really feeding some central database tracking everyone?

Or is each site just tracking its own from dose 1 to 2, and giving people the little card for their own tracking?

Because if it’s the latter, and someone lies (which they will), who is liable when someone dies? Say the spouse of an employee who is contact traced back to the visitor who lied? Does the facility get sued for an unsafe working condition? Only the liar? Does it even matter? The facility has to assume they will be sued and determine what their insurance will cover. Doesn’t matter who would win. The facility has to assume the risk of allowing the unknown person in is worth the risk.

Once community spread is low enough, the risk goes away. We’re trending toward that outcome. Every vaccinated person helps us get closer to that goal. There’s no individual shortcut for a community problem, needs community actions.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Yeah, especially when someone leads with "we need to follow the science" and then advocates for something that doesn't follow the science.

Mask mandates are not a question of science one way or the other. They're a question of policy.

Broccoli is good for you. The science is clear. That does not mean you have to support mandatory broccoli rations at every meal.

 

[GoofGoof]

Not sure I get what the big deal is? This is not really a change but a reiteration that masks only to be off when eating. The one thing I would ask is, do they still have the relaxation areas where you can take your mask off or are they gone now?

As far as I know, yes. They moved the one at DHS from SW land area to Indy Stunt show stadium.

 

[_caleb]

Mask mandates are not a question of science one way or the other. They're a question of policy.

Broccoli is good for you. The science is clear. That does not mean you have to support mandatory broccoli rations at every meal.

Your analogy would work better if my health depended on you eating broccoli.

 

[mmascari]

Can I ask them to blend the food so I can just suck the food thru the mask? Cuz science.

My daughter created the Mask-A-Straw, patent pending, using those cray straw connection kits. For routing out the back of the mask and down to your drink. We'll make millions she said.

Product has not been field tested, no results guaranteed, this is not a medical device. Experiences may differ.

 

[GoofGoof]

Mask mandates are not a question of science one way or the other. They're a question of policy.

Broccoli is good for you. The science is clear. That does not mean you have to support mandatory broccoli rations at every meal.

Not quite the same. If you don’t eat broccoli that doesn’t potentially infect someone else with a deadly disease. The mask mandates are a policy more similar to a speed limit on a road. You are being asked to do something that may help you but the primary benefit is to protect others from you causing them harm.

 

[DisneyCane]

But it’s also stupid to leave your mask off for extended periods of time and use the “I’m eating / drinking” as an excuse.

Agreed?

I don't know if I'd use the word "stupid" but I agree that if there is a requirement to wear a mask except while eating and drinking it should not be allowed to sip a cup of water over the course of 2 hours and say you are drinking.

That doesn’t seem to be the rule. Instead it seems aimed at people at places like sit down restaurants who sit down and immediately take off their masks before they have even ordered, much less received anything to eat or drink.

I probably wasn't clear but the rule I was referring to was the mandate that applies to airplanes that was put in place by the Biden administration. By the letter of the mandate you are supposed to put the face covering back on between bites of whatever you are eating. I have flown since that rule was imposed and they are not enforcing it to that degree. They do enforce if somebody is just sitting there with a drink and keeping the mask off.

It was found in practical application also, here is just one example:

Trends in County-Level COVID-19 Incidence in Counties With ...

This report describes COVID-19 incidence in Kansas counties with and without mask mandates.

www.cdc.gov

There are other studies that show no effect of mask mandates. I won't dig them up and link to them because I don't want to be accused of posting "misinformation." Note to whoever will not carefully read what I wrote, I didn't say "masks have no effect," I specifically referred to mandates. There is no question that real world mask wearing "technique" is not well represented in the lab tests that have been done.

 

[_caleb]

Of course, it's a straw man argument - or another excuse for people to get a kick out of trying to control others' behavior beyond all reason. I've been visiting WDW since 1984 and stopped counting the trips after we hit 50, and if there's one thing I can say with absolute certainty, it's this: If Disney interpreted/enforced its rules the way people posting on these boards interpret them or would have them enforced, they would have been out of business a very, very long time ago.

Do you really think there are people setting public health policies just because they get a kick out of trying to control others’ behavior beyond all reason? That sounds like a comic book villain or something.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Do you really think there are people setting public health policies just because they get a kick out of trying to control others’ behavior beyond all reason? That sounds like a comic book villain or something.

Sadly... I’ve heard that argument in real life.

 

[danlb_2000]

I like that thought. By blending the food that will reduce the need for any chewing thus more efficiently consumed meaning less time needed to sit at a table and less time in the restaurant resulting in faster customer turn over. Bottom line being less time in the restaurant means less time to have to worry about enforcing mask rules. Talk about a domino effect.

Let's just go to IV administered nutrients.

 

[Touchdown]

Are states DHS set up to do that?

Are all vaccination sires really feeding some central database tracking everyone?

Of course they are how do you think we are getting state statistics. All vaccines (not just Covid) are tracked by the government. It’s a matter of public health. How do you think school districts track vaccines?

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Your analogy would work better if my health depended on you eating broccoli.

Someday I'll be a senior in Medicare. So your health doesn't depend on my habits, but your taxes do.

 

[GoofGoof]

Do you really think there are people setting public health policies just because they get a kick out of trying to control others’ behavior beyond all reason? That sounds like a comic book villain or something.

No. I think what @Chi84 meant wasn’t that Disney was setting the policy to control behavior but that people here and on other social media seem to want to interpret the policy to try to control people’s behavior by being overly literal or restrictive. Jumping to the conclusion that this policy clarification means you have to replace the mask between bites is a good example. To me that’s clearly not the intent but some people want to project the worst so are assuming that.

 

[GoofGoof]

Interesting study on the potential for mixing of multiple vaccines:

Scientists get serious about mixing and matching COVID-19 vaccines

Mixing and matching doses of different COVID-19 vaccines was an idea that scientists dismissed out of hand. Now they're taking it seriously.

www.yahoo.com

I think this type of research could be very useful especially if we all end up needing an additional booster designed to fight off variants. This way if you got JnJ or Moderna originally you wouldn’t have to find those brands again for the booster you could just get a Pfizer booster if that’s what’s available. Would make the booster rollout much easier.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The nursing homes rules are not suggestions, as they need to follow all federal guidelines or else become ineligible for Medicaid/Medicare which is their main source of income. There needs to be new guidelines for those people, those patients and families have suffered enough.

Didn’t address nursing homes...

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I get that what's he's trying to do is steer the behavior of the public, but his strategy is completely counter-productive. He wants as many people as possible to take the vaccine. Good. But when he says things like "even after you take the vaccine, you'll still have to wear a mask and maintain social distancing until Christmas," the fence-sitters are going to say "then I'm not going to bother getting it."

It’s not counterproductive...it’s ignoring those that have been wrong this whole time and trying to stay the course with the “intelligent majority”

If you are still whining about mitigation at this point...your skull is thick and you just don’t get it.

He’s old...but not stupid. The administration approach is similar: hedge their bets and not get caught overpromising or directly leading people to another spike.

The logic to that approach is sound...not everyone is gonna agree.

Last I checked - that never happens anyway.

 

[DisneyFan32]

@GoofGoof will when mask mandate and social distancing will be gone forever? Maybe early summer-mid summer if all cases are low enough as all people got vaccine?

 

[danlb_2000]

@GoofGoof will when mask mandate and social distancing will be gone forever? Maybe early summer-mid summer if all cases are low enough as all people got vaccine?

He provided his thoughts on this yesterday. This is a good guess, but nobody really knows for sure.

Let me look into my crystal ball.....

Masks and distancing gone in the US:

• Definitely before 2022
• Probably by WDW’s 50th on October 1st
• Maybe some time this summer
• Unlikely before Memorial Day

The worldwide pandemic ending:

• Likely by the end of 2022
• Maybe by Spring 2022
• Unlikely before Spring 2022

I’m sure I’ll get killed by the doom and gloom crew over being too optimistic, but I’m pretty bullish on the vaccine rollout so far. There are many variables that could derail us like variants and vaccine hesitancy, but so far things look pretty good

Should I start a thread for a contest where we pick the date WDW officially removes all masks and distancing requirements like the Pandora opening date contest and the one for SW:GE? I feel like maybe Covid is too serious a topic, but maybe we all could use a little more light hearted.