Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[danlb_2000]

New mask policy shows disney doesn’t care about the science or data. No evidence that supports their new mask rules. Again, if they actually cared about protecting people they wouldn’t be increasing capacity and incentivizing more people to gather in crowds...

This is just nonsense. Florida has had some of the loosest mask rules and has had the same or better results than states with the strongest mask rules. The masks are a placebo. Stop pretending the masks are saving your life. Lol

The science overwhelming shows that masks reduce the spread of the virus.

 

[_caleb]

Disagree:

1. There are family members including spouses that are still barred from seeing nursing home residents. If both parties are vaccinated they should be able to visit again.

2. Grandparents who are vaccinated should be able to see their grandchildren again. Stipulate masks if you want but continuing to recommend no social interaction is wrong at this point.

Over 1 in 10 Americans are fully vaccinated now, there needs to be guidance for them, and it shouldn’t be the same as unvaccinated people.

Until we have a way of knowing who those 1 in 10 are, how will unique guidance for them will be actionable by the public or enforceable by authorities?

 

[_caleb]

New mask policy shows disney doesn’t care about the science or data. No evidence that supports their new mask rules. Again, if they actually cared about protecting people they wouldn’t be increasing capacity and incentivizing more people to gather in crowds...

This is just nonsense. Florida has had some of the loosest mask rules and has had the same or better results than states with the strongest mask rules. The masks are a placebo. Stop pretending the masks are saving your life. Lol

So why do you think they’ve added this new policy?

 

[Touchdown]

Until we have a way of knowing who those 1 in 10 are, how will unique guidance for them will be actionable by the public or enforceable by authorities?

For nursing homes, it should be fairly easy, have the would be visitor sign a release of medical records to them and then verify vaccination with the state DHS.

 

[rylouisbo]

No, that would be ridiculous. People wouldn't do it and CMs wouldn't (or couldn't) enforce it.

Funny because lots of places in Chicago require that so wouldn’t surprise me if Disney did it too. The whole mask change is ridiculous, so shouldn’t be surprised if they continue to enforce ridiculous things.

The science overwhelming shows that masks reduce the spread of the virus.

in lab studies. Not in practical application. As seen as the results of different states with opposite mask policies being essentially the same regardless of how strictly they enforce mask wearing.
Explain how Florida has better results than Michigan or Illinois etc despite having looser mask rules and having an older population.

 

[Touchdown]

Funny because lots of places in Chicago require that so wouldn’t surprise me if Disney did it too. The whole mask change is ridiculous, so shouldn’t be surprised if they continue to enforce ridiculous things.


in lab studies. Not in practical application. As seen as the results of different states with opposite mask policies being essentially the same regardless of how strictly they enforce mask wearing.
Explain how Florida has better results than Michigan or Illinois etc despite having looser mask rules and having an older population.

Explain how you know state guidelines were followed in private residences when multiple households gathered.

 

[GoofGoof]

Does the new mask policy require you put your mask back on between bites of food? Or is it just that you can't remove your mask until your food/drinks are at the table?

It does. Very strange. Even in tyrannical New Jersey they don’t make you “order and remask”

I don’t read it that way at all. Several people jumped to a conclusion based on a tweet but the policy has always been that you could only take the mask off while actively eating, that hasn’t changed. Under the dining policy it now states:
when dining at a restaurant, guests must wear face coverings while standing, waiting, or sitting in dining locations.

Nowhere does it mention that you must replace your mask between bites of food or sips of a drink. If you have a plate of food in front of you and you are eating from it you are actively eating, even between bites. What this clarifies is if you are seated at a table but not actively eating you must put your mask back on. So if you stop in Cosmic Rays to get out of the sun or to wait out an afternoon thunderstorm you must stay masked while standing indoors or sitting at a table. In other words every dining location isn’t an automatic relaxation zone where masks can come off for a “mask break” as long as you are seated. The “replace your mask between bites” narrative is just a straw man created to make the mask rules seem overbearing or extreme. Nothing to see here, unless you were planning to use the restaurants as a relaxation zone, then you probably need to switch to the actual mask free areas setup instead.

Don't ask me how it’s safe or OK to sit with no mask in those relaxation areas but not ok in a restaurant. I think this is purely a money play. They want to clear out the tables at restaurants for paying customers. Since dining capacity is still limited and park capacity is increasing and will be increasing more over time they are going to run out of room for people eating meals. This clarification comes as we approach the Spring and Summer when temps start to rise and more people seek a place to cool off in the AC.

 

[dreday3]

Funny because lots of places in Chicago require that so wouldn’t surprise me if Disney did it too. The whole mask change is ridiculous, so shouldn’t be surprised if they continue to enforce ridiculous things.


in lab studies. Not in practical application. As seen as the results of different states with opposite mask policies being essentially the same regardless of how strictly they enforce mask wearing.
Explain how Florida has better results than Michigan or Illinois etc despite having looser mask rules and having an older population.

I'm going to say Chicago may "require" it, but they certainly don't enforce it. People indoors/outdoors are at their tables w/out masks on, but do mask up when leaving table for bathroom, etc.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

New mask policy shows disney doesn’t care about the science or data. No evidence that supports their new mask rules. Again, if they actually cared about protecting people they wouldn’t be increasing capacity and incentivizing more people to gather in crowds...

This is just nonsense. Florida has had some of the loosest mask rules and has had the same or better results than states with the strongest mask rules. The masks are a placebo. Stop pretending the masks are saving your life. Lol

The policy change isn't about COVID mitigation, it's to stop a-holes from hogging up tables at restaurants and preventing actual diners from sitting to eat.

 

[GoofGoof]

At this stage in the game is it really worth it to debate whether masks work? We are hopefully a matter of months from seeing real progress towards ending this pandemic. Nobody will change their mind no matter what anyone says at this point on masks. Just go back a few hundred or thousand pages...it’s all been said.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I don’t read it that way at all. Several people jumped to a conclusion based on a tweet but the policy has always been that you could only take the mask off while actively eating, that hasn’t changed. Under the dining policy it now states:
when dining at a restaurant, guests must wear face coverings while standing, waiting, or sitting in dining locations.

Nowhere does it mention that you must replace your mask between bites of food or sips of a drink. If you have a plate of food in front of you and you are eating from it you are actively eating, even between bites. What this clarifies is if you are seated at a table but not actively eating you must put your mask back on. So if you stop in Cosmic Rays to get out of the sun or to wait out an afternoon thunderstorm you must stay masked while standing indoors or sitting at a table. In other words every dining location isn’t an automatic relaxation zone where masks can come off for a “mask break” as long as you are seated. The “replace your mask between bites” narrative is just a straw man created to make the mask rules seem overbearing or extreme. Nothing to see here, unless you were planning to use the restaurants as a relaxation zone, then you probably need to switch to the actual mask free areas setup instead.

Don't ask me how it’s safe or OK to sit with no mask in those relaxation areas but not ok in a restaurant. I think this is purely a money play. They want to clear out the tables at restaurants for paying customers. Since dining capacity is still limited and park capacity is increasing and will be increasing more over time they are going to run out of room for people eating meals. This clarification comes as we approach the Spring and Summer when temps start to rise and more people seek a place to cool off in the AC.

There's no need to be so cynical on this one. It's not a "money play," it's a guest service play. Disney gets your money whether you buy your food at Satuli Canteen and immediately find a table or are forced to go eat on top of a trash can. There's no "turning tables" factor at QS F&B because people are ordering before they're sitting. Finding them a seat by clearing out lingerers is good customer service.

 

[GoofGoof]

The policy change isn't about COVID mitigation, it's to stop a-holes from hogging up tables at restaurants and preventing actual diners from sitting to eat.

Haha. Exactly. I just used my usual long winded way to say that. My way was a little nicer too....probably because I’ve been that a-hole sitting in the AC in the summer trying to beat the heat

 

[correcaminos]

The policy change isn't about COVID mitigation, it's to stop a-holes from hogging up tables at restaurants and preventing actual diners from sitting to eat.

Let's be real here - this is almost certainly the real driving force behind it.

 

[GoofGoof]

There's no need to be so cynical on this one. It's not a "money play," it's a guest service play. Disney gets your money whether you buy your food at Satuli Canteen and immediately find a table or are forced to go eat on top of a trash can. There's no "turning tables" factor at QS F&B because people are ordering before they're sitting. Finding them a seat by clearing out lingerers is good customer service.

It’s a money play in that they can’t increase park capacity without having somewhere for people to eat. I don’t disagree that its good customer service as well. The 2 aren’t mutually exclusive.

 

[DisneyFan32]

My guess the pandemic will be end before end of 2021 between October-November.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Not sure I get what the big deal is? This is not really a change but a reiteration that masks only to be off when eating. The one thing I would ask is, do they still have the relaxation areas where you can take your mask off or are they gone now?

 

[Chi84]

I don’t read it that way at all. Several people jumped to a conclusion based on a tweet but the policy has always been that you could only take the mask off while actively eating, that hasn’t changed. Under the dining policy it now states:
when dining at a restaurant, guests must wear face coverings while standing, waiting, or sitting in dining locations.

Nowhere does it mention that you must replace your mask between bites of food or sips of a drink. If you have a plate of food in front of you and you are eating from it you are actively eating, even between bites. What this clarifies is if you are seated at a table but not actively eating you must put your mask back on. So if you stop in Cosmic Rays to get out of the sun or to wait out an afternoon thunderstorm you must stay masked while standing indoors or sitting at a table. In other words every dining location isn’t an automatic relaxation zone where masks can come off for a “mask break” as long as you are seated. The “replace your mask between bites” narrative is just a straw man created to make the mask rules seem overbearing or extreme. Nothing to see here, unless you were planning to use the restaurants as a relaxation zone, then you probably need to switch to the actual mask free areas setup instead.

Don't ask me how it’s safe or OK to sit with no mask in those relaxation areas but not ok in a restaurant. I think this is purely a money play. They want to clear out the tables at restaurants for paying customers. Since dining capacity is still limited and park capacity is increasing and will be increasing more over time they are going to run out of room for people eating meals. This clarification comes as we approach the Spring and Summer when temps start to rise and more people seek a place to cool off in the AC.

Of course, it's a straw man argument - or another excuse for people to get a kick out of trying to control others' behavior beyond all reason. I've been visiting WDW since 1984 and stopped counting the trips after we hit 50, and if there's one thing I can say with absolute certainty, it's this: If Disney interpreted/enforced its rules the way people posting on these boards interpret them or would have them enforced, they would have been out of business a very, very long time ago.

 

[danlb_2000]

Funny because lots of places in Chicago require that so wouldn’t surprise me if Disney did it too. The whole mask change is ridiculous, so shouldn’t be surprised if they continue to enforce ridiculous things.


in lab studies. Not in practical application. As seen as the results of different states with opposite mask policies being essentially the same regardless of how strictly they enforce mask wearing.
Explain how Florida has better results than Michigan or Illinois etc despite having looser mask rules and having an older population.

It was found in practical application also, here is just one example:

Trends in County-Level COVID-19 Incidence in Counties With ...

This report describes COVID-19 incidence in Kansas counties with and without mask mandates.

www.cdc.gov

 

[danlb_2000]

My guess the pandemic will be end before end of 2021 between October-November.

No one knows for sure.

 

[danlb_2000]

At this stage in the game is it really worth it to debate whether masks work? We are hopefully a matter of months from seeing real progress towards ending this pandemic. Nobody will change their mind no matter what anyone says at this point on masks. Just go back a few hundred or thousand pages...it’s all been said.

Yeah, especially when someone leads with "we need to follow the science" and then advocates for something that doesn't follow the science.