Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[danlb_2000]

The vaccine

Was there proof of that or were they just deaths coincident with getting the vaccine? The report I posted above showed 113 deaths in the US coincident with getting the vaccine, but none of them have been proven to be the result of the vaccine.

 

[Tom P.]

If you would like some actual positive news, here it is. A team at The Mayo Clinic has conducted a large-scale study of more than 31,000 recipients of Pfizer or Moderna vaccines. The results show that the vaccines not only prevent symptoms, but actually prevent infections. Although the study has yet to be peer-reviewed, it is definitely encouraging.

Covid-19 hospitalizations in the US dip to lowest level since November | CNN

Covid-19 hospitalizations in the United States are at the lowest level since early November, when a fall surge in cases and deaths was picking up steam, data showed Saturday.

www.cnn.com

 

[dreday3]

If you would like some actual positive news, here it is. A team at The Mayo Clinic has conducted a large-scale study of more than 31,000 recipients of Pfizer or Moderna vaccines. The results show that the vaccines not only prevent symptoms, but actually prevent infections. Although the study has yet to be peer-reviewed, it is definitely encouraging.

Covid-19 hospitalizations in the US dip to lowest level since November | CNN

Covid-19 hospitalizations in the United States are at the lowest level since early November, when a fall surge in cases and deaths was picking up steam, data showed Saturday.

www.cnn.com

I just think when more studies come out that vaccinated people either don't get infected or they don't spread disease, it's going to be harder to enforce mask wearing for vaccinated people, especially when vaccines are available to all.

 

[correcaminos]

Was there proof of that or were they just deaths coincident with getting the vaccine? The report I posted above showed 113 deaths in the US coincident with getting the vaccine, but none of them have been proven to be the result of the vaccine.

They don't need proof. Vaccine = death

 

[MisterPenguin]

Well if you need to use others in the meantime or if his getting isn't enough, I have hispanic blood and arab as well as n. African in me

Oh! Tell me moor!

 

[DCBaker]

Numbers are out - there were 121 new reported deaths, along with 4 Non-Florida Resident deaths.

 

[DCBaker]

Current Florida vaccine report -

 

[DisneyCane]

Current Florida vaccine report -

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Over 2 million people age 65 and over have received at least one dose. Between backfill data and shots given, it should be over half of the 65+ population within a week from now.

More people have received at least one dose of the vaccine in Florida than have had a positive test by a little over 800k. Second doses are being given at over six times the rate as new positive results.

 

[Darkprime]

Johns Hopkins Doctor Thinks COVID Will Be Largely Gone By April

Dr. Marty Makary argues that more than half of the American population has reached herd immunity and predicts that the coronavirus pandemic will be "mostly gone" by April.

www.newsweek.com

 

[MisterPenguin]

Johns Hopkins Doctor Thinks COVID Will Be Largely Gone By April

Dr. Marty Makary argues that more than half of the American population has reached herd immunity and predicts that the coronavirus pandemic will be "mostly gone" by April.

www.newsweek.com

Too bad this is an opinion piece in a conservative paper with an even more conservative editorial section by just one doctor whose field is not infectious diseases or epidemiology and this is presented as "hidden knowledge that the real experts won't tell you."

There's enough red flags here to have a May Day parade.

I'm not saying that herd immunity isn't going to play a factor come April, but it's clear this op-ed piece is just a "So we can get back to normal and stop wearing masks sooner than later" piece.

It's a re-hash of the earlier "let herd immunity take care of it" crowd, but under the pretense of "vaccinations will get us there" without consideration for sneaky variants, or the unvaccinated populations of small children and those medically compromised such that they can't medically get the vaccine.

Also: one guy with a degree is not consensus medicine.

 

[Darkprime]

Too bad this is an opinion piece in a conservative paper with an even more conservative editorial section by just one doctor whose field is not infectious diseases or epidemiology and this is presented as "hidden knowledge that the real experts won't tell you."

There's enough red flags here to have a May Day parade.

I'm not saying that herd immunity isn't going to play a factor come April, but it's clear this op-ed piece is just a "So we can get back to normal and stop wearing masks sooner than later" piece.

It's a re-hash of the earlier "let herd immunity take care of it" crowd, but under the pretense of "vaccinations will get us there" without consideration for sneaky variants, or the unvaccinated populations of small children and those medically compromised such that they can't medically get the vaccine.

Also: one guy with a degree is not consensus medicine.

Ah my bad didn't realize. I just saw it on the front of r/coronavirus. So assumed it had some merit.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Ah my bad didn't realize. I just saw on the front of r/coronavirus. So assumed it had some merit.

Sure fire technique that will keep you from ever falling for click-bait again!

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[Darkprime]

r/coronavirus is a really weird reddit sub. They'll upvote anything that's "feel good" news but downvote anything to do with new strains, or actual science.

 

[carolina_yankee]

Too bad this is an opinion piece in a conservative paper with an even more conservative editorial section by just one doctor whose field is not infectious diseases or epidemiology and this is presented as "hidden knowledge that the real experts won't tell you."

There's enough red flags here to have a May Day parade.

I'm not saying that herd immunity isn't going to play a factor come April, but it's clear this op-ed piece is just a "So we can get back to normal and stop wearing masks sooner than later" piece.

It's a re-hash of the earlier "let herd immunity take care of it" crowd, but under the pretense of "vaccinations will get us there" without consideration for sneaky variants, or the unvaccinated populations of small children and those medically compromised such that they can't medically get the vaccine.

Also: one guy with a degree is not consensus medicine.

Assuming an expert in Whipple procedures has the roadmap out of a pandemic makes about as much sense as assuming a neurosurgeon understands the nuances of housing policy and has the skillset to oversee a complex major government agency . . .

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[Heppenheimer]

Too bad this is an opinion piece in a conservative paper with an even more conservative editorial section by just one doctor whose field is not infectious diseases or epidemiology and this is presented as "hidden knowledge that the real experts won't tell you."

There's enough red flags here to have a May Day parade.

I'm not saying that herd immunity isn't going to play a factor come April, but it's clear this op-ed piece is just a "So we can get back to normal and stop wearing masks sooner than later" piece.

It's a re-hash of the earlier "let herd immunity take care of it" crowd, but under the pretense of "vaccinations will get us there" without consideration for sneaky variants, or the unvaccinated populations of small children and those medically compromised such that they can't medically get the vaccine.

Also: one guy with a degree is not consensus medicine.

I commented on this elsewhere... the Wall Street Journal is generally an excellent newspaper, but their opinion section has a pretty bad track record on matters of science or medicine, especially on topics where the expert opinion conflicts with their political agendas. One infamous example I remember was an opinion piece written on climate change written by... a licensed dietician. And he got much of the basic chemistry fundamentally wrong.

Kind of like I trust Dr. Oz on matters of cardiothoracic surgery and nothing else, I wouldn't go to Dr. Makary for a consensus opinion on epidemiology. Having read the article, he also makes quite a few debatable assumptions on numbers.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Was there proof of that or were they just deaths coincident with getting the vaccine? The report I posted above showed 113 deaths in the US coincident with getting the vaccine, but none of them have been proven to be the result of the vaccine.

Of those deaths were they had the full medical information available, they did not exceed the background expected mortality for age and medical conditions.

 

[SamusAranX]

They don't need proof. Vaccine = death

Yep. No solid proof just links with questionable sources

 

[danlb_2000]

Of those deaths were they had the full medical information available, they did not exceed the background expected mortality for age and medical conditions.

Here's a question for you.... The report points out that a lot of these deaths were in long term care facilities. Obviously these could easily be coincidental deaths, but since the vaccine triggers an immune response could that actually lead to the death of someone who was already in fragile health?

 

[Darkprime]

FDA could reject AstraZeneca's COVID-19 vaccine on efficacy and manufacturing shortfalls: analyst

It was bad enough when a study released last week concluded that AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine was largely ineffective against the aggressive B.1.351 variant that recently emerged in South Africa. | It's not just the worrisome data showing AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine was largely ineffective...

www.fiercepharma.com

I would be very disappointed if this happened tbh. Just because its overall effectiveness is lower than its competitors doesn't make it a useless vaccine. People don't realize how lucky we are to have just 2 vaccines that are over 90% effective and appear to be effective against new emerging strains. Its made us a bit picky I think. The more vaccines the better and the sooner we can end this pandemic. As long as the vaccine is safe of course. The problem appears to be the data AstraZeneca has given the FDA. Its not enough. Hopefully they can remedy that. At the same time I suppose the FDA not approving a vaccine could add to their credibility and show they aren't just approving any vaccine.

 

[JoeCamel]

Here's a question for you.... The report points out that a lot of these deaths were in long term care facilities. Obviously these could easily be coincidental deaths, but since the vaccine triggers an immune response could that actually lead to the death of someone who was already in fragile health?

While any stress will be damaging I think the ones on hospice care are not being vaccinated and from what I saw in the care facilities I was at as family for the last 20 years the end does not come suddenly for the most part. The degree of illness is pretty well known for months before the end comes.