Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Heppenheimer

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Also people forget, if you deliver a knuckle sandwich to someone’s jaw and get cuts that means that the hard tissue you hit was teeth and you have suffered a bite injury.
I was going to comment that Up To Date mentions this as the most common cause of human bite injuries.

Less people start to get worried about all the bacteria in their mouth, we should note that most rarely cause infections, unless they find their way into deep tissue where they normally don't reside.
 

Heppenheimer

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Plus it's kinda nice just for the weather protection alone. I've always done winter runs in a balaclava, but I may well use my collection of masks next winter anyway for long parking lot walks. My face isn't as chapped this year.
I find an insulated balaclava very useful for skiing this year. You can pull it up over your nose when you're in the lift line, then pull it down around your chin once you're away from everyone. A medical mask gets caught on your goggles and is a big pain to constantly take off and put back on.
 

correcaminos

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Many of the most adamant mask wearers don't understand this.
Look at all of the people who still wear cloth masks when driving alone.
Look at all the people walking in say a supermarket parking lot, or in a park - far from others while wearing cloth masks.
Actually unless you can wash your hands you should not remove the mask in the parking lot. If you do, you could be contaminating yourself. Masks do protect others but they also protect you which is why the fit is important. Many of us don't remove while driving because one should wash hands after removal. So I cannot do it until I get home. So no, that's people not understanding. In fact they really do understand. Also when it's cold I am not removing my winter gear just to take it off. It keeps me warm lol

Here's a full article
 

DisneyCane

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Many of the most adamant mask wearers don't understand this.
Look at all of the people who still wear cloth masks when driving alone.
Look at all the people walking in say a supermarket parking lot, or in a park - far from others while wearing cloth masks.
Or the people wearing any kind of mask driving alone in a vehicle. Do they wear them alone at home? If the virus is getting into their car, it's certainly getting into their home as well.
 

Touchdown

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Actually unless you can wash your hands you should not remove the mask in the parking lot. If you do, you could be contaminating yourself. Masks do protect others but they also protect you which is why the fit is important. Many of us don't remove while driving because one should wash hands after removal. So I cannot do it until I get home. So no, that's people not understanding. In fact they really do understand. Also when it's cold I am not removing my winter gear just to take it off. It keeps me warm lol

Here's a full article
I would like to think that by now everyone has a bottle of hand sanitizer in their cars.
 

correcaminos

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I would like to think that by now everyone has a bottle of hand sanitizer in their cars.
No, not everyone does. We were warned when it was hot not to leave them in the car, so we never did put them back. I usually carry in my purse, but often I go bagless and sometimes forget to put it in a pocket. It's also stupid cold here and I am not taking my gloves off to get my hands wet and have them freeze more. The mask can really wait!

Plus I really prefer to wash my darn hands properly to remove the mask as that is best.

I personally cannot believe people actually care and judge people for doing it. Like I said here, my mask keeps me warm and I keep it on for that reason too while driving. Edit: I'm half tempted to wear masks more in the winter next year because they are better than any scarf I've had ;)
 

Disney Experience

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Well my m
Komodo dragons are known for a very septic mouth. So much so that they assume their prey will eventually die from the bite.

Bite is not poisonous, rather it is septic.

Well my memories about Komodo Dragons is a bit dated.( I learned about them in the 1990s, “Last Chance to see “ CD.)

looks like in 2009 a study of captive dragons found that there was nothing special on their mouth flora, and they do have venom glands that produce anticoagulants. Now that was not dragons in the wild, but it is evidence against the theory of septicness.


So science advances and I stand corrected.
 

Chi84

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Why do people have to be so judgmental? Some enjoy "rocking" masks, others rip them off as soon as allowed (whether for personal or philosophical reasons), some wear them in their car because they forget to take them off, others do so to avoid contaminating the mask or are being extra careful because they care for elderly parents, some find mask-wearing more difficult than others for reasons we may not fully understand and therefore have no business judging, and so on.

As long as the person is wearing the mask in accordance with whatever rules or regulations are in place, it doesn't matter what they think. You can only control so much. It's okay to have different opinions about masks as long as you are complying with whatever rules society currently has in place.
 
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Lilofan

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Or the people wearing any kind of mask driving alone in a vehicle. Do they wear them alone at home? If the virus is getting into their car, it's certainly getting into their home as well.
In regards to wearing masks at home, some of my friends who live in high rise apt buildings could be wearing masks while alone in the apt. When the nearby apt neighbor cooks up a storm that could wake up the dead , the food smells wafer into the nearby apts and apt hallways.
 

bdearl41

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We are up to nearly 1.7M doses a day on average for vaccines administered and that number keeps rising. We need to keep our eyes on the ball, continue to follow basic protocols like masks and distancing for a little while longer and get the vaccine as soon as it’s available to us. If we all do that we should be in good shape in a few months.
This combined with cases falling off a Cliff both add up to some great news. I’m optimistic that by summer cases may be down to more of localized clusters rather than widespread. That and the fact so many have already had it, it’s almost like 30-40% of t he population already has some level of immunity. We’re getting there!
 

bdearl41

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Don't ya think there will be next surge or not in next couple months?
I personally don’t. Virus is running out of bodies to jump to. Every day it loses about 2 million potential hosts. With about 200 million who can probably still catch it we are eliminating its jumping points by 1% daily. The R0 number is now below 1 so we shouldn’t. Just my guess on simple math. I also think I when JNJ rolls out later this month or next month we will see that jump to 3-5 million a day.
 

JAKECOTCenter

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I personally don’t. Virus is running out of bodies to jump to. Every day it loses about 2 million potential hosts. With about 200 million who can probably still catch it we are eliminating its jumping points by 1% daily. The R0 number is now below 1 so we shouldn’t. Just my guess on simple math. I also think I when JNJ rolls out later this month or next month we will see that jump to 3-5 million a day.
I personally do think we'll see a catastrophic surge if everyone loosens restrictions BUT the odds of that seem to be diminishing with the rates and supply of vaccines increasing. That being said, don't be complicit. Whatever happens between now and the end of March will dictate whether or not the 3rd surge is the last or the 4 surge is the end of America as we know it
 

bdearl41

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I personally do think we'll see a catastrophic surge if everyone loosens restrictions BUT the odds of that seem to be diminishing with the rates and supply of vaccines increasing. That being said, don't be complicit. Whatever happens between now and the end of March will dictate whether or not the 3rd surge is the last or the 4 surge is the end of America as we know it
End of America. Wow. Intense. My feelings obviously assume we stay on current trajectories. I don’t see masks going anywhere for a while and also a lot of folks still not doing much til summer. That said, we’ve stayed level on cases here, and restaurants have been open at 75% since last summer. People out to eat all the time so I do think there is a bit of overreacting to NY and LA opening their restaurants.
 

DCBaker

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Numbers are out - there were 155 new reported deaths, along with 4 Non-Florida Resident deaths.

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DisneyCane

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I calculated the weekly numbers for the past two weeks in FL using a spreadsheet to figure out weekly new tests and new case positivity.

For the week of 1/24-1/30, there were 70,800 new cases, 846,155 new tests and 8.37% new case positivity for the week.

For the week of 1/31-2/6, there were 55,170 new cases, 766,606 new tests and 7.2% new case positivity for the week.

Week over week there was a 22% decrease in new cases on 9.4% fewer tests with a 13.99% decrease in new case positivity. Hopefully this trend will continue as vaccinations increase. I don't think the vaccinations have anything to do with this decrease as not even 10% of the population has received a first dose and barely over 3% have had both doses.
I updated my spreadsheet calculations for the week of 2/7-2/13:

For the week of 2/7-2/13, there were 48,669 new cases, 741,118 new tests and 6.57% new case positivity for the week.

Week over week, this represents an 11.8% decrease in new cases on 3.3% fewer tests with an 8.75% decrease in new case positivity.

The rate of decrease wasn't as rapid as the prior week over week data but so far it is still trending in the right direction.
 

GoofGoof

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This combined with cases falling off a Cliff both add up to some great news. I’m optimistic that by summer cases may be down to more of localized clusters rather than widespread. That and the fact so many have already had it, it’s almost like 30-40% of t he population already has some level of immunity. We’re getting there!
I did the quick math in another thread but here’s a recap. 28M confirmed Covid cases is about 8% of the population. Let’s assume 2-3 times that many have actually been infected. For argument’s sake let’s say 20% of the population has been infected. Now add in vaccinations which are at 12% for 1 shot and 4.4% for both. The main issue with straight up combining the 2 is there is going to be some overlap. Some of the people who were naturally infected are also in the vaccinated group. Particularly in the healthcare workers and LT Care groups that went first. I don’t know of any way to figure out how many people are in both groups. At the end of the vaccine rollout if we assume 80% of people accept the vaccine that leaves 20% without it. If we assume by that time 25% of the population has been naturally infected and same as the general population only 80% of those people also get vaccinated then the 20% of people naturally infected and not vaccinated is equal to about 5% of the population. So take however many people are immune due to vaccination and add another 5% of the population who should be naturally immune anyway.
 

DisneyCane

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These charts out of the report illustrate why targeting the 65+ population for vaccinations first is clearly the correct decision. 84% of COVID-19 deaths in FL are people who were 65 and over. 56% of the hospitalizations were in that age group. Both of these stats despite only 15% of the documented cases being in people 65 and over.

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This chart shows case fatality rate and also mortality rate of the population of that age group. Stats would argue that after 65+, the next group should be 55+ before essential workers and trying to specifically target people with comorbidities who are younger.

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