Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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bdearl41

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These charts out of the report illustrate why targeting the 65+ population for vaccinations first is clearly the correct decision. 84% of COVID-19 deaths in FL are people who were 65 and over. 56% of the hospitalizations were in that age group. Both of these stats despite only 15% of the documented cases being in people 65 and over.

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This chart shows case fatality rate and also mortality rate of the population of that age group. Stats would argue that after 65+, the next group should be 55+ before essential workers and trying to specifically target people with comorbidities who are younger.

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I think these charts and your explanation are exactly what people need to see. Hospitalizations will go WAY down due to vaccinating older folks. In the mean time community spread will provide stronger immunity in younger folks as they then turn to get the vaccine. I do think as your charts illustrate, taking care of the at risk first will help end the danger of this pandemic quite quickly. Great stuff.
 

Heppenheimer

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Hmm, what happened to the vaccinations in FL this weekend? Quite a large drop-off from the previous weekend.

Also, does FL break down their numbers by percentage of each age group vaccinated? I see the raw numbers, which look impressive, but that doesn't tell you much about overall progress for each age bracket.
 

GoofGoof

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These charts out of the report illustrate why targeting the 65+ population for vaccinations first is clearly the correct decision. 84% of COVID-19 deaths in FL are people who were 65 and over. 56% of the hospitalizations were in that age group. Both of these stats despite only 15% of the documented cases being in people 65 and over.

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This chart shows case fatality rate and also mortality rate of the population of that age group. Stats would argue that after 65+, the next group should be 55+ before essential workers and trying to specifically target people with comorbidities who are younger.

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While I agree that doing LT care, healthcare workers and the elderly first is a good plan to eliminate people more likely to have serious illness I can see the argument that the focus next should be to reduce community spread and also focus on certain demographics like minority communities that are more susceptible to serious illness next. I think waiting on essential and front line retail workers will prolong the excessive community spread, especially in lower income communities. I think the best plan would have probably been do 65+ first and then go on to people who are both an essential worker under 65 and also have a comorbidity. That narrows the essential worker group by at least half but still captures many of the people likely to have serious illness. So a person with a comorbidity who is retried (under 65) or works from home gets less priority than someone with the same medical condition but working outside the home.
 

seabreezept813

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Or the people wearing any kind of mask driving alone in a vehicle. Do they wear them alone at home? If the virus is getting into their car, it's certainly getting into their home as well.
I have to admit I’ve heard some funny ones since this started. One person asked if it’s okay to de-mask when showering. And another in my town actually passed out driving at an intersection this summer and blamed their mask. The police had to explain that they’re allowed to take it off when alone. Obviously the situation wants funny, but it does show that some people are very literal. It’s a good case for better education. I hope we learn to better educate the public in our next national emergency.
 

Touchdown

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If the AZ vaccine has already been approved for more than fifty countries, what is the United States waiting for? https://apnews.com/article/pandemic...ited-nations-3270b68714c77cf4b292ad25a147323f
To put it simply they messed up their UK study so the data is not nearly as sound as the other vaccines.

In more detail, a minority of participants in the trial arm (which were not randomized) received a half dose of the second shot by mistake. Results showed these “mistakes” were actually better protected against Covid. It makes no sense.

The FDA is waiting on the US study results, there is a near certainty J&J will be approved before AZ and Novavax will likely be too, assuming their final results match their prelim ones.
 

CatesMom

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Being comfortable enough in your mask and its efficacy that you put it on earlier or keep it on longer than "required" is not the same thing as misunderstanding how it works. I catch myself driving with mine on all the time. It's just habit to wear one in my area.
Many of the most adamant mask wearers don't understand this.
Look at all of the people who still wear cloth masks when driving alone.
Look at all the people walking in say a supermarket parking lot, or in a park - far from others while wearing cloth masks.

Many of the most adamant mask wearers don't understand this.
Look at all of the people who still wear cloth masks when driving alone.
Look at all the people walking in say a supermarket parking lot, or in a park - far from others while wearing cloth masks.
 
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Figgy1

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Many of the most adamant mask wearers don't understand this.
Look at all of the people who still wear cloth masks when driving alone.
Look at all the people walking in say a supermarket parking lot, or in a park - far from others while wearing cloth masks.
Masks are mandated in the parking lots here same as you can get within 6 feet accidentally
 

ToTBellHop

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I personally don’t. Virus is running out of bodies to jump to. Every day it loses about 2 million potential hosts. With about 200 million who can probably still catch it we are eliminating its jumping points by 1% daily. The R0 number is now below 1 so we shouldn’t. Just my guess on simple math. I also think I when JNJ rolls out later this month or next month we will see that jump to 3-5 million a day.
We are not removing 2 million hosts per day. There are 1.667 million DOSES per day with about .957 million new first doses. We are also certainly vaccinating some people who already had the virus. So the only certainty is that we are vaccinating 0.29% of potential hosts daily.

There is no reality where JnJ will be delivering a further 2-4 million doses per day any time soon.
 

Figgy1

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No, not everyone does. We were warned when it was hot not to leave them in the car, so we never did put them back. I usually carry in my purse, but often I go bagless and sometimes forget to put it in a pocket. It's also stupid cold here and I am not taking my gloves off to get my hands wet and have them freeze more. The mask can really wait!

Plus I really prefer to wash my darn hands properly to remove the mask as that is best.

I personally cannot believe people actually care and judge people for doing it. Like I said here, my mask keeps me warm and I keep it on for that reason too while driving. Edit: I'm half tempted to wear masks more in the winter next year because they are better than any scarf I've had ;)
DH takes his lunch/drink bag everywhere so there's one in the pocket. I keep one in each of the 2 purses I rotate. Edit dh is mandated to have his mask on before he drives onto work property
 

Chip Chipperson

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Or the people wearing any kind of mask driving alone in a vehicle. Do they wear them alone at home? If the virus is getting into their car, it's certainly getting into their home as well.

I try not to judge simply because I've caught myself forgetting to remove it after picking up takeout or groceries curbside and then needing to wait until I stop to remove it safely so as not to cause an accident. I could see someone choosing to keep it on if they had just given a ride to someone who doesn't live with them, too. Or maybe they just didn't have anyplace to put it when they were done and figured, "Eh, I'll take it off when I get home." Personally, I don't think it would be comfortable to wear it while driving very far - especially if wearing an N95.
 

mmascari

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We were warned when it was hot not to leave them in the car, so we never did put them back.
What was the warning?

I’ve always kept little bottles in the car. I have noticed that eventually the bottle gets stiffer and harder to use. Mostly a bottle I’ve refilled many times though, as new small ones were in short supply. I currently upgraded to a larger pump bottle in the car, as that’s the size my preferred brand was available in. Plus, it’s cold. I do wonder if I’ll need to worry about it leaking when it warms up. Freezing has never been an issue.

It would be good to know if there’s some issue I’m not thinking about.


The driving alone one is easy, we have no idea where that person is going or just come from. They may have a good reason. About to pick someone up and don’t want to count on the air turnover when the door opens. Picking up or dropped someone off and didn’t have stationary time to change the mask. I would prefer people aren’t trying to drive down the road while trying to put on or off a mask and sanitizer at the same time. It could make a cell phone look safe in comparison.
 
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