Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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correcaminos

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You mean the predicament of having 3 successful vaccines less than a year after the pandemic started?
That really is not related to anything I typed. If you are going to defend our government for how they handled this whole pandemic as well as securing vaccines, then don't bother replying. I'm tired of hearing it.

I just asked a simple question.
It's been hashed out a lot. The answer is, bad idea. Go with what those who actually made the vaccine say. Stop trying for the "easy answer" because it will burn you in the end. (generic you)
 

Disney Experience

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Again, it depends what you define as "effective". All have been effective at preventing hospitalization and death.
Yes, but statistically with only Phase 3 data we cannot have high confidence about serious disease effectiveness compared to non-serious. They originally wanted 60 cases or so of covid in study. Not 60 serious cases. Normally how many cases of serious cases per non serious are there? How much variance is possible given that sample size?

Does the preliminary results look promising? Yes. As they get analysis of a larger vaccinated post 2 shots then the confidence in the number for serious cases will increase.
 
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Touchdown

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Folks we recommend a flu shot every year that usually is anywhere from 40-60% effective. All of these vaccines are much more efficacious the vaccine you should get is the first one offered to you. For the next few months, you aren’t going to have a choice of which one. J&J is doing a two shot series study, and it very well might end up as effective as the mRNA vaccines. The quicker we vaccinate the quicker this is over.
 

Kevin_W

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Yes, but statistically with only Phase 3 data we cannot have high confidence about serious disease effectiveness compared to non-serious.


I think we can have high confidence. ~75,000 Americans received one of the 5 vaccines under study in the us (Pfizer, Moderna, J&J, Astrazenica, Nonovax). There have been zero deaths, only a few hospitalizations, and zero hospitalizations 28 days after receiving the shot among that group.

If you took 75,000 random adults from Ohio, in the past year 383 of them would have been hospitalized from Covid and 93 would have died.
 

correcaminos

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Folks we recommend a flu shot every year that usually is anywhere from 40-60% effective. All of these vaccines are much more efficacious the vaccine you should get is the first one offered to you. For the next few months, you aren’t going to have a choice of which one. J&J is doing a two shot series study, and it very well might end up as effective as the mRNA vaccines. The quicker we vaccinate the quicker this is over.
Yes, the quicker we fully vaccinate the quicker it is over. We should not vaccinate single doses though when it is supposed to be a 2 shot deal. What J&J does with 2 doses is something we'll find out in the future.
 

Parker in NYC

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Just told our company isn't thinking of returning to the office until 2022. And you wonder why I'm so skeptical. So skeptical at all around this place!
 

Polkadotdress

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Lots of hope re: J&J allowing us to ramp up vaccination numbers, however this is now being reported:

"Johnson & Johnson would have fewer than 10 million vaccine doses available if the US Food and Drug Administration authorizes it for emergency use in the coming weeks, a federal health official tells CNN.

The official said the number of doses available would be in the single-digit millions, but that number would ramp up to 20 or 30 million doses by April."
 

Touchdown

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Lots of hope re: J&J allowing us to ramp up vaccination numbers, however this is now being reported:

"Johnson & Johnson would have fewer than 10 million vaccine doses available if the US Food and Drug Administration authorizes it for emergency use in the coming weeks, a federal health official tells CNN.

The official said the number of doses available would be in the single-digit millions, but that number would ramp up to 20 or 30 million doses by April."
10 million doses is 10 million Americans vaccinated. That’s more then entire state of Michigan.
 

GoofGoof

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Lots of hope re: J&J allowing us to ramp up vaccination numbers, however this is now being reported:

"Johnson & Johnson would have fewer than 10 million vaccine doses available if the US Food and Drug Administration authorizes it for emergency use in the coming weeks, a federal health official tells CNN.

The official said the number of doses available would be in the single-digit millions, but that number would ramp up to 20 or 30 million doses by April."
They had a board member already confirm they are on track for deliveries worldwide and would have 100M doses delivered in the US this Spring, as early as end of April. On their earnings call the CFO also confirmed they would meet the targets for sales including the 100M to the US. It’s going to take a few weeks for EUA so probably won’t see significant doses delivered until March. They have a whole month to build supply. they won’t have 100M doses to deliver on March 1 but they should be ramped up to deliver 5 to 10M doses a week and that should get them done before the end of June and maybe a lot sooner.
 

Lilofan

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CNN John King just reported that a over the counter test that is coming soon can detect if someone is positive or not for Covid in about 15 min. Curious if WDW would use this test to screen incoming guests.
 

JAKECOTCenter

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CNN John King just reported that a over the counter test that is coming soon can detect if someone is positive or not for Covid in about 15 min. Curious if WDW would use this test to screen incoming guests.
This will help immensely. Having testing as good as that would be very helpful
 

Disney Experience

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I think we can have high confidence. ~75,000 Americans received one of the 5 vaccines under study in the us (Pfizer, Moderna, J&J, Astrazenica, Nonovax). There have been zero deaths, only a few hospitalizations, and zero hospitalizations 28 days after receiving the shot among that group.

If you took 75,000 random adults from Ohio, in the past year 383 of them would have been hospitalized from Covid and 93 would have died.
Half received placebo.

approx 72000 trial participants is just Pfizer and Moderna studies.

you need to look at the number of serious cases. Because the vaccine is so effective the number of covid cases is real low (8 or so in the Pfizer study). So what ratio are normal per any case of covid. If less than 1 in 10 ( approx) you would see no cases in the vaccinated 9 cases of covid on average. The study does not have enough data to say that the vaccine protects especially well against serious vs non serious covid. I think it will be more effective vs serious covid but that is just hope, I cannot says the numbers prove it yet.

 

Disney Experience

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Half received placebo.

approx 72000 trial participants is just Pfizer and Moderna studies.

you need to look at the number of serious cases. Because the vaccine is so effective the number of covid cases is real low (8 or so in the Pfizer study). So what ratio are normal per any case of covid. If less than 1 in 10 ( approx) you would see no cases in the vaccinated 9 cases of covid on average. The study does not have enough data to say that the vaccine protects especially well against serious vs non serious covid.

The 75k number was the non-placebo combined form all 5 trials.
Ahh. My mistake. I thought you were stating total participants.
 
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