Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[sullyinMT]

If you want to really kill domestic air travel volume implement this. Don't more people travel interstate by car than air anyway? What about them?

Why aren't people who completed a vaccine series of an approved vaccine exempt from the negative test for international travel?

Agreed on the vaccine part, especially. Now that vaccines are rolling out, it makes for a common sense incentive for vaccine acceptance, to avoid the testing requirement if you’ve been vaccinated.

I guess I see international testing because we don’t know how other nations are doing with vaccine compliance, mix & match in the UK, etc. but for domestic travel, it seems a bit silly to not have a “vaccine passport,” especially with interstate road travel remaining wide open and the mask requirements on planes now having the teeth of an EO.

 

[carolina_yankee]

If you want to really kill domestic air travel volume implement this. Don't more people travel interstate by car than air anyway? What about them?

Why aren't people who completed a vaccine series of an approved vaccine exempt from the negative test for international travel?

I've been wondering about this, too. I think a super-cautious approach would still require testing, though, since those who are vaccinated won't likely get sick but they can still be carrier. We don't know yet if they can infect others. That's the problem with early-adoption, still a lot of unknowns and figuring out how this actually works in the field. Only when numbers are truly low and staying low can that kind of precaution be lifted.

I honestly don't see how requiring a test, though, should kill travel as long as it's easy to get a test and results come reliably quickly. That's the part I don't trust. A friend lost his trip to Hawaii because he didn't get his test results back in time.

 

[sullyinMT]

I've been wondering about this, too. I think a super-cautious approach would still require testing, though, since those who are vaccinated won't likely get sick but they can still be carrier. We don't know yet if they can infect others. That's the problem with early-adoption, still a lot of unknowns and figuring out how this actually works in the field. Only when numbers are truly low and staying low can that kind of precaution be lifted.

I honestly don't see how requiring a test, though, should kill travel as long as it's easy to get a test and results come reliably quickly. That's the part I don't trust. A friend lost his trip to Hawaii because he didn't get his test results back in time.

Yep. Tests aren’t easy to come by in quite a few places still.

 

[Touchdown]

If people who get vaccinated still can spread without getting sick then there will never be herd immunity because the virus will still be replicating and anyone not vaccinated will still get sick.

This is something that has never happened with any vaccine in modern history please stop throwing out that canard. The only reason the public health people are pushing this is to try and avoid people stop wearing masks while the vaccinated are a minority.

 

[dreday3]

If they do implement this requirement to test if traveling domestically, it should be lifted as soon as people are able to go get vaccinated if they choose.

I'm not a fan. If I'm vaccinated, but still wearing a mask, I shouldn't have to be tested in order to travel to/from a domestic destination.

 

[DisneyCane]

Vaccine is not 100% effective

Neither is a test 100% accurate, especially one that can be 3 days old.

I've been wondering about this, too. I think a super-cautious approach would still require testing, though, since those who are vaccinated won't likely get sick but they can still be carrier. We don't know yet if they can infect others. That's the problem with early-adoption, still a lot of unknowns and figuring out how this actually works in the field. Only when numbers are truly low and staying low can that kind of precaution be lifted.

I honestly don't see how requiring a test, though, should kill travel as long as it's easy to get a test and results come reliably quickly. That's the part I don't trust. A friend lost his trip to Hawaii because he didn't get his test results back in time.

If it's an oral swab, free and at the airport it won't kill air travel. If it is q-tip to the brain, costs money or has to be done somewhere else then it will.

 

[Incomudro]

IIRC, one theory on the clustering behavior says that it is an evolutionary holdover. People in clusters feel safer both by virtue of the number of people seemingly offering protection and because were something to attack, you as an individual have less chance of being the target vs you being out on your own.

This herding behavior explains why people in parking lots often pull up their car right next to the only one or two cars that are there, when there are ample other spaces.

 

[Patcheslee]

If they do implement this requirement to test if traveling domestically, it should be lifted as soon as people are able to go get vaccinated if they choose.

I'm not a fan. If I'm vaccinated, but still wearing a mask, I shouldn't have to be tested in order to travel to/from a domestic destination.

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense unless they expect all modes of transportation to test. Do I like an 16 hour drive to Florida? Not really, which is why we usually fly. But given the abysmal turnaround times right now locally for tests - still 5 day- they can't expect many people to be able to comply. Add on top of that customers are currently responsible for the cost of the test.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

You are aware that the fireworks shells fell back there?

I wasn’t aware that was a fallout zone for nye shows. But I’ve never been over there for nye, I always watched from Japan.

If you want to really kill domestic air travel volume implement this.

Well... if the cdc doesn’t want people to travel, that would be a good thing!

 

[Lilofan]

I wasn’t aware that was a fallout zone for nye shows. But I’ve never been over there for nye, I always watched from Japan.

Well... if the cdc doesn’t want people to travel, that would be a good thing!

I believe all are fallout zones just for that night. I recall when each country lights up before the NYE 3,2,1 countdown there is a brief fireworks behind each country. Behind American Adventure that is the most fireworks that I can see from my vantage point when we see the NYE fireworks in front of China.

 

[Chi84]

If people who get vaccinated still can spread without getting sick then there will never be herd immunity because the virus will still be replicating and anyone not vaccinated will still get sick.

This is something that has never happened with any vaccine in modern history please stop throwing out that canard. The only reason the public health people are pushing this is to try and avoid people stop wearing masks while the vaccinated are a minority.

We were lied to about the efficacy of masks because the government didn't want people hoarding them. I wonder if the studies on whether vaccinated people can still infect others will be held back or downplayed for similar reasons.

 

[Patcheslee]

This herding behavior explains why people in parking lots often pull up their car right next to the only one or two cars that are there, when there are ample other spaces.

Disney predicted herd mentality...?

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I believe all are fallout zones just for that night. I recall when each country lights up before the NYE 3,2,1 countdown there is a brief fireworks behind each country. Behind American Adventure that is the most fireworks that I can see from my vantage point when we see the NYE fireworks in front of China.

Yes that’s how it is for 4th of July as well... lots of extr pyro behind the American Adventure.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

We were lied to about the efficacy of masks because the government didn't want people hoarding them. I wonder if the studies on whether vaccinated people can still infect others will be held back or downplayed for similar reasons.

What would be the reason they would “held back “as you say, important info such as that? I’m really trying to come up with a good conspiracy reason but can’t even think of one. Doesn’t make sense at all.

 

[SamusAranX]

What would be the reason they would “held back “as you say, important info such as that? I’m really trying to come up with a good conspiracy reason but can’t even think of one. Doesn’t make sense at all.

It’s not a conspiracy theory it’s the truth. Governments told citizens there was no need to wear masks in public early on in the pandemic to protect limited supply

 

[DisneyDebRob]

It’s not a conspiracy theory it’s the truth. Governments told citizens there was no need to wear masks in public early on in the pandemic to protect limited supply

I wasn’t talking about the mask part. I know that to well from many in here still bringing it up. I’m referring to the second part of the post.

 

[dreday3]

I wasn’t talking about the mask part. I know that to well from many in here still bringing it up. I’m referring to the second part of the post.

oops, misunderstood your post.

 

[Touchdown]

I wasn’t talking about the mask part. I know that to well from many in here still bringing it up. I’m referring to the second part of the post.

How do you quickly and securely determine if a person is vaccinated or is lying. The CDC card is easily spoofed, which is why “vaccine passports” are being looked into, but it’s not ready yet. With their being no way to distinguish vaccinated from not and vaccinated being a minority it’s safer to assume all aren’t.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

People were saying that they (government? CDC?) were telling us masks weren't very effective because of the mask shortage at the time - they didn't want the average person to start hoarding them.

Again, as I said in the post right above you, I know this. Been discussed to death here and we still hear about it every few pages. I was referring to the second part of the posters paragraph.

We were lied to about the efficacy of masks because the government didn't want people hoarding them. I wonder if the studies on whether vaccinated people can still infect others will be held back or downplayed for similar reasons.

The part of vaccinated people can still infect others.. why would they do that.

 

[JoeCamel]

People were saying that they (government? CDC?) were telling us masks weren't very effective because of the mask shortage at the time - they didn't want the average person to start hoarding them.

But how does that relate to "studies on whether vaccinated people can still infect others will be held back or downplayed for similar reasons."?