Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Disney Experience]

Actually, I was curious, so just looked up the stats for Israel. Over the past 2 weeks, ~106,000 people have gotten Covid. Which works out to 1500 per 128,000. I don't know if 2 weeks is the right time frame, but 1500 vs 20 looks very good. Even half of that looks good.

Given your numbers:

Being vaccinated is 750 times better than not being vaccinated.
But if the vaccine was 99.99% effective(posts by others which were likely just a placeholder for "real good") then the vaccine would have been 10,000 times better.

( I did not account for overlap in population)

Its still real good to be vaccinated.

 

[Disney Experience]

Norwegian Cruise Line, Regent Seven Seas to Require Crew Get Vaccinated

Norwegian Cruise Line and Regent Seven Seas Cruises will look to have all crew members vaccinated ahead of resuming sailings.

www.travelandleisure.com

 

[JAKECOTCenter]

New Biden statement: Anyone who wants a COVID vaccine will get one by "this spring". Also ups his goal to 1.5 shots a day!!!!!! https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/wh...cine-goal-1-5-million-shots-day-says-n1255597

 

[JoeCamel]

Just reported on local new that Dr. Ron said Florida is getting 266K doses a week.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Pretty sure thats canceled...


Just remember half the country still disagrees with you. Im glad we handled it the way we did but than again i dont have a posh job where i work from my spare room and make the big bucks. So me going to work and paying my bills is uh yeah a priority for me.

Pity...I was brewing my green beer. A remarkable show of faith for someone who is overwhelmingly Scottish

It’s not “half”....it’s majority of landmass...but sheep don’t vote.

It was a sizeable minority of voters...and as far as population represented its 40,000,000 + people fewer. And if the apathetic voted...they’d vote That way as well.

Study and analysis are our friends.

This 50/50 narrative is false...it’s locked into 1700/1800’s era loopholes.

It’s like saying ups/fedex or Coke/Pepsi are close...

It’s not even close...we just don’t question it and are allowed to be “steered” by it.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Norwegian Cruise Line, Regent Seven Seas to Require Crew Get Vaccinated

Norwegian Cruise Line and Regent Seven Seas Cruises will look to have all crew members vaccinated ahead of resuming sailings.

www.travelandleisure.com

All will follow.

Just reported on local new that Dr. Ron said Florida is getting 266K doses a week.

He needs to practice the phrase “I am hereby suspending my campaign” in the mirror. Gonna need it.

 

[mmascari]

So you’re saying public health workers are busy administering doses as a matter of public health?

Not selling candy in isle 11 or scheduling it around diabetes maintenance appointments with more of a profit motive?

Hmmm...I better check my Econ notes on that.

My understanding is, it's hospital's that are having the issues. So, not candy in isle 11. I would bet the candy people will be very good at it when using their facilities. After all, they'll get the chance to sell you something else while you're there. Isn't that a big part of the business model, get people into the store for something and then sell them something else cheap with a huge mark up.

It's that hospital processes aren't designed for rapid quick shots and leave, and they're super risk adverse. The combination creates lots of overhead and friction at getting it done. This doesn't explain why they're giving out left over doses to board member or families instead of patients. There was one non profit we saw where they took all left over doses to the dialysis clinic in the building. They already know exactly where those people will be for the second shot and they all clearly have a risk. So, it's not all hospitals, but definitely some and some of the larger systems.

My wife and many of her friends spread around the county got vaccinated as members of various groups. Several of the ones in hospitals had someone sit with them specifically for the 15 to 30 minutes after to be sure there was no reaction. She used the county site and they had 50 people in a gym, spread out, with one monitor at the front of the room watching them all.

 

[GoofGoof]

Good news. I'm sure you know this, but that's not how they would calculate efficacy, unless all 128k of those people were exposed to Covid. You would have to compare how that 20 looks vs. 128,000 unvaccinated people.

In a clinical trial, yes. All that matters to us is whether it works or not. 128,000 were vaccinated and so far 20 are infected and most importantly none seriously. Like I said, early on, but good sign.

 

[JoeCamel]

My understanding is, it's hospital's that are having the issues. So, not candy in isle 11. I would bet the candy people will be very good at it when using their facilities. After all, they'll get the chance to sell you something else while you're there. Isn't that a big part of the business model, get people into the store for something and then sell them something else cheap with a huge mark up.

It's that hospital processes aren't designed for rapid quick shots and leave, and they're super risk adverse. The combination creates lots of overhead and friction at getting it done. This doesn't explain why they're giving out left over doses to board member or families instead of patients. There was one non profit we saw where they took all left over doses to the dialysis clinic in the building. They already know exactly where those people will be for the second shot and they all clearly have a risk. So, it's not all hospitals, but definitely some and some of the larger systems.

My wife and many of her friends spread around the county got vaccinated as members of various groups. Several of the ones in hospitals had someone sit with them specifically for the 15 to 30 minutes after to be sure there was no reaction. She used the county site and they had 50 people in a gym, spread out, with one monitor at the front of the room watching them all.

They are shifting from hospitals around here. As you posted they are not set up for this kind of production line.

 

[sullyinMT]

All will follow.



He needs to practice the phrase “I am hereby suspending my campaign” in the mirror. Gonna need it.

All need to follow. It amazes me that there are still holdouts in other cruise forums thinking this won’t be the standard, at least for a while. Especially after the relative praise Saga received.

And, kids can sail with language that all eligible patients (by age) must be vaccinated. Once vaccines were approved and presidents of NCL and RCI hinted at this, it was obvious.

 

[Rescue Ranger]

I have no idea what we are going to do. This vacation has exhausted me. Booked back in 2019 for April 2020, we have had to move and postpone and almost cancel so many times. That includes dining and tickets. We will be traveling from Toronto.

We're now set for late March 2021 and still, things are not looking good. This was the latest we were allowed to move it as we rented 2 weeks worth of DVC Polynesian points. So much was spent to finally have that Polynesian 'dream vacation'. If we don't travel then, we will lose EVERYTHING. The only other option we have been given is we may be allowed to transfer those points to RCI?! Which I suppose is better than nothing. Maybe we can rebook in the future for Disney through them?! Then that would just leave me hoping Disney would refund my 8-day tickets? Under the circumstances. Even the magic bands we pre-purchased. Three adults are travelling.

With all that said, while strict restrictions are looking to be in place, if we can get a flight and don't have to quarantine once we arrive in Orlando, we would still probably go. I lost my job of 10 years during all this craziness so at first it was nice to have this trip planned in the back of my mind. Although we will travel with concerns and some may think we're crazy, I do feel safer travelling to WDW than some other places. Making sure we're well equipped with masks, sanitizers, lysol and keeping as socially distanced as possible. We are fine to o the 14-day quarantine when we return.

We will have to give ourselves a few more weeks to see what the travel restriction details are before we decide if RCI is possible or the best option.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I have no idea what we are going to do. This vacation has exhausted me. Booked back in 2019 for April 2020, we have had to move and postpone and almost cancel so many times. That includes dining and tickets. We will be traveling from Toronto.

We're now set for late March 2021 and still, things are not looking good. This was the latest we were allowed to move it as we rented 2 weeks worth of DVC Polynesian points. If we don't travel then, we will lose EVERYTHING. The only other option we have been given is we may be allowed to transfer those points to RCI?! Which I suppose is better than nothing. Maybe we can rebook in the future for Disney through them?! Then that would just leave me hoping Disney would refund my 8-day tickets? Under the circumstances. Even the magic bands we pre-purchased. Three adults are travelling.

With all that said, while strict restrictions are looking to be in place, if we can get a flight and don't have to quarantine once we arrive in Orlando, we would still probably go. Although we will travel with concerns and some may think we're crazy, I do feel safer travelling to WDW than some other places. Making sure we're well equipped with masks, sanitizers, lysol and keeping as socially distanced as possible. We are fine to o the 14-day quarantine when we return.

We will have to give ourselves a few more weeks to see what the travel restriction details are before we decide if RCI is possible or the best option.

I don’t want to be discouraging...but I don’t think they’ll be ready by April for out of country. You also have to ask yourself: what are you getting? Still a lot of reductions in place

 

[Rescue Ranger]

I don’t want to be discouraging...but I don’t think they’ll be ready by April for out of country. You also have to ask yourself: what are you getting? Still a lot of reductions in place

Very true. But at the same time I'll be honest, with the restrictions here, just staying at the resort being able to walk the grounds would be amazing compared to the locked up life we're currently living in Toronto. With the exception of groceries, I've more or less been in "stay home" mode since mid-March 2020. It helps peace of mind knowing that the Polynesian is currently closed with the exception of DVC for not being to busy for distancing.

My current mind set is once again we won't be going. However, we'll wait a few more weeks before we make our decision once we find out all of our options.

 

[DisneyCane]

Just reported on local new that Dr. Ron said Florida is getting 266K doses a week.

If that's true then uncle Joe's logistics team isn't off to a great start and it's going to take 4 months to get through the rest of the 65+ population with two doses. At that rate, doses, not shots, will be the limiting factor in two weeks or less.

Or, are they holding back doses for FEMA to distribute so it can look like the federal government came to the rescue?

 

[JoeCamel]

If that's true then uncle Joe's logistics team isn't off to a great start and it's going to take 4 months to get through the rest of the 65+ population with two doses. At that rate, doses, not shots, will be the limiting factor in two weeks or less.

Or, are they holding back doses for FEMA to distribute so it can look like the federal government came to the rescue?

Got to have it to get it. The manufacturer's are not hitting the targets.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Very true. But at the same time I'll be honest, with the restrictions here, just staying at the resort being able to walk the grounds would be amazing compared to the locked up life we're currently living in Toronto. With the exception of groceries, I've more or less been in "stay home" mode since mid-March 2020. It helps peace of mind knowing that the Polynesian is currently closed with the exception of DVC for not being to busy for distancing.

My current mind set is once again we won't be going. However, we'll wait a few more weeks before we make our decision once we find out all of our options.

I get that...I can’t lie that I would sign for just the hotel grounds now too...it’s just getting old in this ole house

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

If that's true then uncle Joe's logistics team isn't off to a great start and it's going to take 4 months to get through the rest of the 65+ population with two doses. At that rate, doses, not shots, will be the limiting factor in two weeks or less.

Or, are they holding back doses for FEMA to distribute so it can look like the federal government came to the rescue.

How on earth are you getting enough oxygen to breathe up there?

 

[dolbyman]

If we don't travel then, we will lose EVERYTHING.

In those cases I am glad I have resisted DVC (or any time share for that). We had two Disney trips planned in 2020. Those fell flat. With the money saved, we just payed a lump sum off our mortgage .. just 15.000 years remaining .. haha. Money is more flexible than points (also a reason I go for cashback credit cards and not travel points.)

Greetings over from Vancouver

 

[Jwink]

If that's true then uncle Joe's logistics team isn't off to a great start and it's going to take 4 months to get through the rest of the 65+ population with two doses. At that rate, doses, not shots, will be the limiting factor in two weeks or less.

Or, are they holding back doses for FEMA to distribute so it can look like the federal government came to the rescue?

That’s probably because there was no plan for administering vaccinations from the previous administration. President Biden has to start with a new plan... from scratch

 

[Polkadotdress]

So, extrapolating that out, we’ll be done with seniors and ready to move onto the next phase in...May?

No, it doesn't extrapolate like that. There are around 3.5 million seniors left to go. As of the latest report, 451,000 first doses were given 1/10-1/16. They have been ramping up capacity to give shots so this capacity is higher now. There should easily be the ability to give 500,000 first doses a week now and likely more but using 500,000 would mean 7 weeks. That calculates to being able to give first doses to the entire the 65+ population by 3/14 and allow the next phase to begin 6 weeks earlier than your extrapolation.

Just reported on local new that Dr. Ron said Florida is getting 266K doses a week.

I stick by my earlier assertion that it will take many months to get thru the seniors here in FL. According to the daily vaccination report, we are trending DOWN in # of doses given weekly, with this week coming in about 100Kish less than last week's total of 436K total shots.

Also, as @JoeCamel shared, we will only be getting 266K doses this week, which limits how many people we can actually vaccinate. It seems as if Desantis no longer has a hotline to the White House so that he can easily get what he wants. Further, the WH pushed back on him today, stating “And I will note — because we’re data first here, fact first here — they’ve only distributed about 50 percent of the vaccines that they have been given in Florida. So, clearly, they have a good deal of the vaccine. ” said Biden Press Secretary Jen Psaki on Monday.

So, while the federal and local govt point fingers at one another, we're caught in the middle.

Ron DeSantis spox slams White House ‘misinformation’ on vaccine supply

Alleged "misinformation from the White House regarding Florida's vaccination numbers."

floridapolitics.com