oceanbreeze77
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In LA county, the website says for second doses all you need is your vaccination record card and ID. No work ID or anything like that.
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oceanbreeze77
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so sorry to hear. PrayersUpdate
forget my previous post. He took a turn for the even worse just now. They are on their way to say goodbye
oceanbreeze77
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No. They dont know what their stock schedule looks like so they are doing appointments week by week.
oceanbreeze77
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My uncle and his wife, and my parents all got Pfizer and had no reaction. I did some research into it and interesting enough, found this
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Protecting Health, Saving Lives—Millions at a Time
"Can side effects be more pronounced in people who are at higher risk of severe COVID-19 disease—i.e., people who are older, have comorbidities, etc.?
No—in fact, vaccine side effects have been less frequent and severe in adults older than 55 years in the vaccine trials."
Sirwalterraleigh
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Eventually...it will happen...eventually
hopemax
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This is what galls me. We have a President who downplayed the emergence of this virus. Acted as if it was a personal plot by the world to harm him personally. One who forced his advisors to walk on eggshells as not to upset him or make him feel stupid, to boil issues of vital National Security down to a couple of pages of graphics. One who degraded science, and expert analysis. The one who wrapped himself in an escalating blanket of lies about the election and his right to stay in office even though he lost a free and fair election.
After all of that, on the first working day of the new Presidency when we might finally get full and complete answers regarding our ability to fight this virus and have confidence in what was being said hadn't been run through some spin machine to make it more palatable to the President. After we learn that there is not any semblance of what adults would consider a full plan to vaccinate the population. The lack of a substantial plan, that will surely disrupt the timeline. The man who has spent a lifetime combating infectious diseases, because he says something you do not like and does not conform to your opinion on the state of things, *HE* is the one on a power trip?
We discussed this in December, when I was getting crap about the mask thing through 2021, that Dr. Fauci was saying THEN that next year's Thanksgiving he *hopes* will be more normal and people were upset with him too. When he mentioned that we might need upwards of 90% of the population to really reach herd immunity. I'm sorry you didn't listen to his November & December statements. He didn't move the goal posts. You object to his conclusion, with no evidence other than a disgusting presumption of his motives. As if anyone would get their jollies over telling people that this is going to continue to suck for a long time. As someone who recently felt they were being accused of vile motives I thought you might be more sensitive to those type of presumptions, but I guess not.
This virus has not and will not conform to a human timeline of when we want it to be over. No matter how much you or anyone else insists.
'This is not fake news': Dr. Fauci talks holiday travel safety and upcoming vaccines in 1-on-1 interview
Dr. Anthony Fauci, the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said he remains "concerned" that Americans might not get vaccinated.
www.khou.com
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Americans celebrate Christmas Eve under spiraling COVID pandemic
Americans marked a grim Christmas Eve on Thursday as coronavirus infections exploded nationwide, political leaders warned them not to travel or gather in large groups and a highly contagious variant of the virus spread further in Europe.
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hopemax
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And another thing. After this goes away and we begin to tally the continuing costs of this pandemic we can’t conceptualize beyond the deaths. The number of people who leave health care and education, the number of healthcare workers suffering from PTSD who need mental health support. The people on long term disability that tax payers will have to subsidize, the people on Medicaid, Medicare and even private insurance with long term expensive care needs because their vascular system is shredded and we will be paying for in higher premiums and costs for everyone... I don’t want to hear a WORD from anyone who believed “only the deaths” matter when it comes to paying those taxes or premiums.
correcaminos
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So very sorry to hear.
That's a bit unnerving but I hope it works well for you.
Yes, even in trials they showed less side effects for older people than young. Even in the early phases this was seen. So I admittedly was concerned when I went in and after being warned of worse effects for second shot at the trial itself (told so we wouldn't put side effects in covid diary). Really it wasn't that bad for me either time though, but my reactions to shots are never big outside of arm pain. I do have a large number of friends who work in or for the medical field and getting their vaccines. I'd say less are reacting poorly than I would expect too. So fingers crossed more do well with it!
Kevin_W
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Right, but that plan doesn't make sense. 5 weeks for immunity after Feb 1 isn't March 1. And they aren't vaccinating all 334,000 teachers/admins/janitors/bus drivers on Feb 1 anyway.
That said, my school is in hybrid in spite of cases (4 students at my daughters school positive in the past week) and I expect they will stay there. As studies have shown spread is not happening at the school - these people are picking it up outside so they would be getting sick regardless if the school was open.
The debate of teachers vs 65+ is tough for priority. I would say that teachers are more essential than the average 65-year-old, but the average teacher is less likely to die from the disease than an older person.
Think Tink
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Oh I completely agree. Some staff aren’t getting their first dose until halfway through February so they won’t even get their next shot until mid March.
Our school is offering a hybrid but very few actually went out from what i was told. My nephew was to start preschool this year but my sister didn’t want any extra risk as my BIL has asthma.
It’s hard to figure out who gets priority. Not something I’d ever want to decide. Hopefully we can keep increasing vaccinations per day because every weekend it drops to under 10,000 and it’s discouraging to see.
pixie225
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Surely the U.S. has the capability of "opening" plants to manufacture more vaccine, if the government would fund it. There are plenty of vacant facilities that could be used. NY converted places into making ventilators when needed, as did other states. This, imho, should be a top priority - especially since Pfizer is a U.S./NY-based company.
People are getting confused:
The Biden administration's base goal is 100M doses (jabs in arms) in 100 days. When that was announced, the rate of jabbing was shockingly low such that it seemed likely that that goal wasn't going to be achieved. So, the Biden administration set a baseline goal to ramp up jabbing.
When you talk about the number of people fully immunized, that's 50M because it takes two jabs.
When you talk about "this Summer" or "June" you're talking about the totality of all jabs to get us to herd immunity, not what's happening short term in the next 100 days.
Pfizer and Moderna should be providing more than 100M doses in 100 days, but the question is, can we get those doses into people, or will states continue to be a mess in their delivery system? The current administration's goal is to help states jab people at the rate that doses are produced... for now, over the next 3 months.
By the end of 3 months, other company's doses should be in the system, and the system should be able to handle the increased jab-load.
The states, scrambling on their own, have just started to reach 1M jabs/day, making 100M jabs in 100 days likely.
The Biden administration's base goal is 100M doses (jabs in arms) in 100 days. When that was announced, the rate of jabbing was shockingly low such that it seemed likely that that goal wasn't going to be achieved. So, the Biden administration set a baseline goal to ramp up jabbing.
When you talk about the number of people fully immunized, that's 50M because it takes two jabs.
When you talk about "this Summer" or "June" you're talking about the totality of all jabs to get us to herd immunity, not what's happening short term in the next 100 days.
Pfizer and Moderna should be providing more than 100M doses in 100 days, but the question is, can we get those doses into people, or will states continue to be a mess in their delivery system? The current administration's goal is to help states jab people at the rate that doses are produced... for now, over the next 3 months.
By the end of 3 months, other company's doses should be in the system, and the system should be able to handle the increased jab-load.
The states, scrambling on their own, have just started to reach 1M jabs/day, making 100M jabs in 100 days likely.
rustincohle
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I'm from the UK, so my perspective may be slightly different, but I do think health officials - whose job is not traditionally communication, so I have some sympathy - have often poorly communicated what the end goal is. Once every adult has been offered the vaccine, it's going to be supremely difficult to maintain any mask or social distancing restrictions. People know that the virus will never go away fully, and that the vaccine doesn't offer 100% protection, but they also know that we lived with other diseases ok in the past and that a degree of risk is simply part of life. I think the vast majority will feel that, once everyone has had (or been offered) the vaccine, that's the big tipping point for what level of risk is acceptable to go back to normal life.
In the UK, it's been reported that all adults will be offered the vaccine as soon as June if things continue to go well with the rollout. I don't think the US is that far behind, but may be wrong. So I think that by later in the Autumn (let's say October), all but the loosest restrictions - if not all restrictions - should surely be gone (assuming the vaccine protects against new variants, which it seems from early data it does)? Interested to hear if there are reasons why that can't be the case.
In any event, I've booked a WDW trip for two weeks at the start of December, so you can't say I won't put my money where my mouth is!
In the UK, it's been reported that all adults will be offered the vaccine as soon as June if things continue to go well with the rollout. I don't think the US is that far behind, but may be wrong. So I think that by later in the Autumn (let's say October), all but the loosest restrictions - if not all restrictions - should surely be gone (assuming the vaccine protects against new variants, which it seems from early data it does)? Interested to hear if there are reasons why that can't be the case.
In any event, I've booked a WDW trip for two weeks at the start of December, so you can't say I won't put my money where my mouth is!
Both are critical. But if we can't get kids in classrooms without teachers being vaccinated, then I say we should have made them second in line behind medical staff actually working with Covid patients. Education is in crisis. My parents are over 80 and desperate to be vaccinated. They would gladly give up their spots to get kids in classrooms.
Polkadotdress
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Bungled.
The Villages "super site" has been temporarily shuttered as they have exhausted all their vaccine supply, leaving 7000 pre-registered people up in the air. The first 5 days of operation saw 4000 vaccinations administered at that site, resulting in rave reviews from the local community. But now, there is no more vaccine in the immediate pipeline for this location. When asked why there was a challenge with the supply, Gov Desantis pointed blame at the federal distribution system.
So, here we have $ being paid to the "Global Medical Response" company to host the vaccination site. And, many disappointed and very frustrated seniors whose appointments were abruptly cancelled.
Bungled.
Disstevefan1
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Amazon held off on purpose simply because the Trump Admin would have welcomed it. If Amazon thought the Trump Admin would have rejected it, that would have been mainstream media gold.
Disstevefan1
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You’re right, Bezos did the right thing, never mind all the people could have helped. Political backing is the most important thing..
Disstevefan1
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If Amazon offered help to the Trump Admin and they rejected it, it would have been all over the mainstream media for sure..
GoofGoof
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They can’t really do that. Part of the emergency use authorization is a detailed quality control inspection around the manufacturing facilities and process. They can’t just start manufacturing vaccine at another site without going through the full blown process and it would take months to ramp that up. They started that process for the current facilities months before the trial ended in the hopes they got approval. On the supply chain side Pfizer has contracts with suppliers for raw materials as well. From what I understand some of the raw materials are also limited. Dry ice for shipping is one of them. Pfizer has enough purchased to meet their targets.
One of the worst vaccine disasters in US history occurred when the government rushed manufacturing of the polio vaccine and a lab in CA accidentally used live virus instead of a dead one. Thousands contracted polio from the vaccine and several were paralyzed or killed. After that the government increased scrutiny on the manufacturing process.
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