Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[GoofGoof]

Seems like the problem is neither demand (people who want to get the vaccine) nor supply (available doses of the vaccine), but rather the infrastructure and logistics of administration—appointments, information about locations and phased groups, etc.

EDIT: @Disney Experience beat me to post and said it better.

This is the problem. What adds greatly to that is all the restrictions on who is eligible. I really feel they should scrap the plan and go to a first come first serve basis for all Americans as soon as they finish 65+. If they try to do this school teachers and grocery store workers and bus drivers phase it’s going to only get worse. The 2 shot requirement is a challenge too, but it’s way more efficient to just book appointments solid every day with who ever wants it.

 

[danlb_2000]

Administered is the key. The problem is they are not getting the shot into the arms. There is a big supply of arms at the moment and since they have only gotten 30% into the arms, the supply of shots exists at the state level. It is the last step of getting it into the arms that has not efficiently happened...yet.

Sorry, I may have misunderstood your post. You said demand is outstripping supply in Florida, I guess you didn't mean actual supply of the vaccine, but supply of the ability to deliver it into arms.

 

[Jwink]

When do you think disney will start to rethink some things???

When the governor scales back. So.... never

 

[_caleb]

This is the problem. What adds greatly to that is all the restrictions on who is eligible. I really feel they should scrap the plan and go to a first come first serve basis for all Americans as soon as they finish 65+. If they try to do this school teachers and grocery store workers and bus drivers phase it’s going to only get worse. The 2 shot requirement is a challenge too, but it’s way more efficient to just book appointments solid every day with who ever wants it.

Yes. The "phased" approach is too simplistic for our needs, but maybe the appointment approach is, too. Why not both? If we prioritize certain groups, let's schedule them but ALSO have socially distanced first come-first-served at local pharmacies and dedicated temporary setups (like with testing sites).

There should be a massive communications campaign (TV, radio, social media, billboards, signage, etc.) explaining who can get the vaccine, when, and where. Others have said it before, but if public health officials partnered with Starbucks and Chick-fil-a to administer doses, we'd have a lot more people vaccinated.

Also, we need to incentivize getting the vaccine. A coupon, a gift card, cash, chicken sandwich, whatever.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

When do you think disney will start to rethink some things???

The new administration will bail them out...frankly...because they will make the vaccine their signature accomplishment and now have the power to get it done.

This is not normal...this is a one termer that is a full changing of the guard after. They can burn some ideological bridges that isn’t normally possible.

Disney will benefit and Iger will then be named as US ambassador to candyland.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

When the governor scales back. So.... never

Scale back what?

Bars and lacrosse crowds?

Jeez...where are you?

 

[SamusAranX]

Scale back what?

Bars and lacrosse crowds?

Jeez...where are you?

Not saying it’s *correct* reasoning, but the government is probably saying why pull back on what little of the economy is churning if Florida is middle of the pack among some states currently, most of whom have reinstituted restrictions. Basically, it ain’t gonna happen unfortunately

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Not saying it’s *correct* reasoning, but the government is probably saying why pull back on what little of the economy is churning if Florida is middle of the pack among some states currently, most of whom have reinstituted restrictions. Basically, it ain’t gonna happen unfortunately

No I get that...it was the wrong move based in politics from the start...but I don’t see a reversal without a bigger crisis

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

This is the problem. What adds greatly to that is all the restrictions on who is eligible. I really feel they should scrap the plan and go to a first come first serve basis for all Americans as soon as they finish 65+. If they try to do this school teachers and grocery store workers and bus drivers phase it’s going to only get worse. The 2 shot requirement is a challenge too, but it’s way more efficient to just book appointments solid every day with who ever wants it.

...cause if there’s one thing that people have been proven to be equipped for...it’s a first come, first serve scensrio

 

[Touchdown]

Some of you need to readjust your risk calculator. There is nothing in life that is zero risk, driving a car has a lot of risk involved for instance. At some point, you are going to have to do your own risk calculation. Up until this point I have personally restricted myself above and beyond what the government has mandated. That is because I see Covid to be way too high of a risk. Once I’m fully vaccinated, that risk has significantly changed and I am going to act accordingly.

Wearing a mask, practicing good hand washing, using social distancing, and not going to work sick is how I protect my patients at work. Those of you who say they are going to get the vaccine and continue to operate on March 2020 protocols are being unreasonable, unless you live in an area where the hospitals are currently overwhelmed. I can’t believe how some of you act like me relaxing to what the government is mandating think it’s a crime. If you aren’t going to change your behavior with a vaccine when are you? With kids not getting a vaccine anytime soon and all the reluctance to a vaccine it is likely Covid will be circulating well into 2022.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

There is nothing in life that is zero risk, driving a car has a lot of risk involved for instance.

This argument is almost a year old... we’ll have to throw it a birthday party.

 

[Polkadotdress]

Making sense of the lagging U.S. COVID-19 vaccination effort

COVID-19 vaccines have been the subject of speculation and anticipation for months—so why hasn't the U.S. made more progress on vaccination?

hub.jhu.edu

An insightful piece of info from the article: “Operation Warp Speed has only shipped about half of its doses. Of those shipped doses, only 30% have been administered. In other words, we are utilizing only 15% of what we as a nation have.”

 

[SamusAranX]

This argument is almost a year old... we’ll have to throw it a birthday party.

That was a different context. His point was that vaccination is the maximum precaution and final step to minimizing risk of COVID. The goal was never to eliminate COVID in order to return to normal, it was to get to reduce stress on the care system, tune and adjust, achieve vaccination and go from there. Without a vaccine, yes the analogy fails, because in lieu of it masking and limiting social interactions was the only effective measures. The best comparison would be that riding a car with a seatbelt, sober/alert, and no phone usage means you have minimized risk to smallest degree possible while being free to drive at your leisure. No one at that point can't deny your privilege to drive because an accident that can harm others is possible. Same with being vaccinated.

 

[jmp85]

Must be something off with the CDC data since it says Florida has only administed 30% of the vaccine they have recieved.

Just more anecdotal evidence, but as soon as the hospitals here (FL Panhandle) announce reservation openings for the vaccine, they are gone within a few minutes. A lot of people are struggling to get one, but I do seem to see more and more reports from friends that their parents/grandparents were able to get a slot.

 

[BrianLo]

Some of you need to readjust your risk calculator. There is nothing in life that is zero risk, driving a car has a lot of risk involved for instance. At some point, you are going to have to do your own risk calculation. Up until this point I have personally restricted myself above and beyond what the government has mandated. That is because I see Covid to be way too high of a risk. Once I’m fully vaccinated, that risk has significantly changed and I am going to act accordingly.

Wearing a mask, practicing good hand washing, using social distancing, and not going to work sick is how I protect my patients at work. Those of you who say they are going to get the vaccine and continue to operate on March 2020 protocols are being unreasonable, unless you live in an area where the hospitals are currently overwhelmed. I can’t believe how some of you act like me relaxing to what the government is mandating think it’s a crime. If you aren’t going to change your behavior with a vaccine when are you? With kids not getting a vaccine anytime soon and all the reluctance to a vaccine it is likely Covid will be circulating well into 2022.

I think a lot of people had an inappropriate knee jerk reaction to what you were trying to say.

There is a rationale middle ground. You went above and beyond and once you are vaccinated you will continue to follow local guidelines. Which based on the average person is still considerably going above and beyond.

 

[BrianLo]

I don’t think the vaccination rollout is actually that bad in the US. A bit of a free for all and uncoordinated... but anecdotally a heck of a lot of you are seemingly vaccinated out of proportion to what is anecdotally happening here.

I’m hoping to ‘weasel’ my way into a vaccine at the end of January In Canada... I’m working in four different health regions in two provinces over the next few months. Three of which I’ve been coded as providing “ICU” coverage. Yet only one region do I barely qualify. I really don’t personally need the vaccine first, but just for context that I do not really qualify yet.

That’s not a complaint, I largely agree that the preferential targeting of LTC and First Nations is a good thing. But the US is getting a heck of lot more in people’s arms right now.

 

[Disstevefan1]

The estimated cost was $5-8 billion dollars

They got $500,000,000 earmarked 10 months ago...

(Numbers sure are a B...aren’t they?)

Don’t worry the government will just print as much money as they need to....

 

[GoofGoof]

An insightful piece of info from the article: “Operation Warp Speed has only shipped about half of its doses. Of those shipped doses, only 30% have been administered. In other words, we are utilizing only 15% of what we as a nation have.”

This is true, but to be fair the vaccine requires 2 doses 3 weeks apart so if we don’t hold back 50% of the doses we will go to almost no new people getting vaccinated in 3 weeks as everyone who got the first one gets their second dose.

Some basic math to illustrate what I’m saying. In theory if you have 2M doses coming a day you can either use all 2 million doses or use 1M and save 1M. If you use all 2M doses every day for 3 weeks you have 42M doses used (42M people half vaccinated) but from weeks 4-6 you have to allocate all 2M doses received to those same 42M people‘s 2nd dose. On the flip side if I held back half the doses I continue to use 1M doses a day for new people and end up with a reserve of 21M doses then in weeks 4-6 I start using 2M doses a day but 1M go to new people and 1 million are second doses. At the end of 6 weeks both approaches result in 42M people vaccinated. Holding back the doses does help with logistics and also ensures that if there is a manufacturing delay we have those 2nd doses already stored up vs having a shortage when people are only halfway done.

The example is oversimplified and numbers aren’t actually going to be constant but I think in theory we should be done building the reserve pretty soon as this is the end of the 3rd and 4th weeks of the 2 vaccines. the other issue of only using 30% of the doses distributed is a bigger issue. We have to do better than that. This concept that the federal government will release all of the vaccines to the states and not keep a reserve is fine, but then the states will still need to use 50% of doses received going forward for 2nd shots so it doesn’t really get that many additional people vaccinated.

 

[Flugell]

Some of you need to readjust your risk calculator. There is nothing in life that is zero risk, driving a car has a lot of risk involved for instance. At some point, you are going to have to do your own risk calculation. Up until this point I have personally restricted myself above and beyond what the government has mandated. That is because I see Covid to be way too high of a risk. Once I’m fully vaccinated, that risk has significantly changed and I am going to act accordingly.

Wearing a mask, practicing good hand washing, using social distancing, and not going to work sick is how I protect my patients at work. Those of you who say they are going to get the vaccine and continue to operate on March 2020 protocols are being unreasonable, unless you live in an area where the hospitals are currently overwhelmed. I can’t believe how some of you act like me relaxing to what the government is mandating think it’s a crime. If you aren’t going to change your behavior with a vaccine when are you? With kids not getting a vaccine anytime soon and all the reluctance to a vaccine it is likely Covid will be circulating well into 2022.

When I first read your intentions post vaccine effectiveness I felt that your attitude was selfish and irresponsible. However I resisted the urge to respond in that manner immediately! Having thought carefully about your perspective I am now beginning to understand and even agree with your perspective.
My worry is that you will be open to criticism for your behaviour, which would indeed be unfair. I am wondering if when you have completed the vaccinations and waited the 2-3 weeks to ensure maximum effectiveness you (everybody) could be issued with a lanyard/ badge or equivalent so that everyone knows that you are “safe”. This would then have the additional impact of potentially encouraging other people to be vaccinated. Then others in your situation could avoid some of the social distancing for instance and be visible proof of the benefit of vaccines!
I realise this would be very hard to enforce and check but it would be great to have physical evidence!
Anyway enjoy your outings and stay safe!

 

[JoeCamel]

I don’t think the vaccination rollout is actually that bad in the US. A bit of a free for all and uncoordinated... but anecdotally a heck of a lot of you are seemingly vaccinated out of proportion to what is anecdotally happening here.

I’m hoping to ‘weasel’ my way into a vaccine at the end of January In Canada... I’m working in four different health regions in two provinces over the next few months. Three of which I’ve been coded as providing “ICU” coverage. Yet only one region do I barely qualify. I really don’t personally need the vaccine first, but just for context that I do not really qualify yet.

That’s not a complaint, I largely agree that the preferential targeting of LTC and First Nations is a good thing. But the US is getting a heck of lot more in people’s arms right now.

Hang around the ride entrance/hospital for hours near closing and hope for softs/leftovers. Its the theme park way....