Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Parker in NYC]

I’m not an anti-vaxer. I really don’t need another label added to my list of labels I’ve received on this forum.

For the record, I'll gladly take the label of COVID fearmonger from here on out. I mean, I'm sure you've thought this for months -- so the receipt is in the mail.

 

[drizgirl]

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Nobody would disagree with people who own or work in businesses having the necessity and right to earn a living to avoid cataclysmic consequences for themselves and their families. However I (my opinion) believe that they should not necessarily be open but supported, adequately and significantly, by the government.
The recommendations, as far as I can tell from the U.K., vary across different states but the consensus from the scientists is that either businesses should be completely closed or open with limitations. Whilst there is inadequate financial support businesses will understandably push or ignore recommendations in order to survive and provide employment. The risks from such behaviour are easy to imagine. If a business owner or employee tests positive are they currently in a position to remain off work and isolate as is recommended? What are the consequences if they remain open, even without the infected person? I would guess more infections would follow leading to more potential hospitalisations and sadly the likelihood of more deaths.
Businesses can and should be supported. If necessary businesses can be adapted or replaced. Some people will struggle with the consequences of long Covid-19.
Dead people unfortunately remain dead.

But we have vaccines marching across the horizon, we understand much more about the virus and how to treat it. Support the people who are struggling and hopefully it will be over sooner and we can all meet at WDW and share a well deserved drink! Stay safe, everyone! Happiest of New Years to you all.

You can argue that all you want. But that's not what's available to them. We can only deal in reality on the ground right now.

 

[Flugell]

You can argue that all you want. But that's not what's available to them. We can only deal in reality on the ground right now.

And isn’t that part of the tragedy?

 

[easyrowrdw]

Vaccines and drugs are 2 different things. Many drugs approved for treatment end up having long term health issues because of repeatedly using them. Taking a pill daily for 2 years turns out to kill your liver, that kind of stuff. These can happen over time as opposed to immediately. The vast majority of severe adverse reactions to vaccines happen within a few months and most are in the same day. I am not aware of a vaccine that has shown to have long term impacts to someone that developed years after being vaccinated. Not saying it doesn't happen or can’t happen just that if it has happened in the past it was very rare.

Could the vaccine have long term effects? Yes, it’s possible. Does Covid have long term effects besides the obvious one - death? Yes, it’s also possible (likely?). Risk vs reward.

Multiple posters requested reasons why individuals were hesitant to get the vaccine. I provided some based on what I've heard (from normal, not anti-vaxxer, people). As I said in my post, I'll get it as soon as I'm able. Unfortunately for me, I'm behind...lemme count...everyone.

 

[Miss Bella]

For the record, I'll gladly take the label of COVID fearmonger from here on out. I mean, I'm sure you've thought this for months -- so the receipt is in the mail.

I'm not in the habit of labeling people. You can send the receipt elsewhere.

 

[drizgirl]

And isn’t that part of the tragedy?

The tragedy that people are suggesting policy on how they think things should be rather than how they are? Absolutely.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Stay home? Should I not go to work? I wish I had that option.

You seemingly bragged about visiting California and not following the governor’s guidelines. That’s an option.

 

[Miss Bella]

You seemingly bragged about visiting California and not following the governor’s guidelines. That’s an option.

I'll be following the governors guidelines in Florida. There are both health officials are they not? LOL.

 

[DCBaker]

Numbers are out - there were 137 new reported deaths, along with 2 Non-Florida Resident deaths.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

The posts were removed. I never read them. I'll take your word for it, but I was not apart of that conversation. I don't condone the laughing emoji, but I have seen much worse things on here than that.

You've seen worse here than someone laughing at the death of another user's family member? What could someone post here that could possibly be worse that wasn't immediately deleted by the mods?

 

[Miss Bella]

You seemingly bragged about visiting California and not following the governor’s guidelines. That’s an option.

We ate inside not outside and it lasted more than two hours. oops sorry Newsom.

 

[DCBaker]

Current vaccine report for FL -

 

[GoofGoof]

Multiple posters requested reasons why individuals were hesitant to get the vaccine. I provided some based on what I've heard (from normal, not anti-vaxxer, people). As I said in my post, I'll get it as soon as I'm able. Unfortunately for me, I'm behind...lemme count...everyone.

I get it, my response was a general reaction to that line of thought, not specifically directed to you. I have heard people say that too. I do think there’s a fear of the unknown and in some cases a mistrust of the government (especially from groups who have a good historic reason not to trust them). I don’t want to get a vaccine that’s brand new and unproven either, but I have decided to get it to protect myself and also to be part of the solution.

At the end of the day even if I didn’t care about my personal health I’d still get vaccinated because I would not want to infect my older family members or co-workers or anyone else. I’d feel awful if I had access to a vaccine, chose not to get it, got sick (possibly asymptomatic) and then infected others. If the worst case happened, I’d have to live the rest of my life knowing that if I just simply had not resisted something with very little personal risk that my loved one could still be alive. It’s an easy call when you look at it that way.

 

[easyrowrdw]

Not only that.. I remember enjoying them!
Salisbury steak.. mashed potatoes.. corn and a little peach cobbler. Remember it like it was yesterday.

Oh the cobbler! I can't believe I forgot about the cobbler. My kids had take home meals for a while and I got the occasional steak fingers and mashed potatoes.

 

[MisterPenguin]

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Man, where did you do time?

 

[correcaminos]

Not only that.. I remember enjoying them!
Salisbury steak.. mashed potatoes.. corn and a little peach cobbler. Remember it like it was yesterday.

Reminds me also of the TV dinners that were meant to be special since they were more expensive. Still love those brownies lol

We were talking about goulash and trying to explain to my kid what it was. Even my husband never had the joy of eating it (didn't live on the mainland his whole childhood) so I had to google pics to show. My kid gets subs, chicken sandwiches, not Kraft mac n cheese, french toast and sausages... all things with whole wheat, low sodium etc. Fresh fruit (not in cups) and veggies etc. It's crazy how much better he has it now.

 

[Disney Experience]

On a very trivial note (For those who want a break from drama):
Here is how Pfizer/BioNTech came up with a name for their vaccine. Course I just call it by the larger of the two companies corporate name

The inside story behind Pfizer and BioNTech's new vaccine brand name, Comirnaty

Comirnaty. It’s a name we’ll all know soon. | Comirnaty. It’s a name we’ll all know soon. The new brand for Pfizer and BioNTech's COVID-19 vaccine, Comirnaty mashes up community, immunity, mRNA and COVID—pretty much everything that could fit into the moniker for the world's most high-profile...

www.fiercepharma.com

 

[DCBaker]

Data dump issue? I know things have been screwy with Christmas but that can’t be right can it?

Here's the explanation from the FDOH posted last night -

Florida Department of Health Issues Update on COVID-19 | Florida Department of Health

Today, the Florida Department of Health (DOH), issued an update on COVID-19 in Florida. The reported positivity rate is 22.75 percent, which should be interpreted with caution due to reduced hours and closures at doctor’s offices, public testing sites, and laboratories for the holidays. These...

www.floridahealth.gov

 

[GoofGoof]

Here's the explanation from the FDOH posted last night -

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Florida Department of Health Issues Update on COVID-19 | Florida Department of Health

Today, the Florida Department of Health (DOH), issued an update on COVID-19 in Florida. The reported positivity rate is 22.75 percent, which should be interpreted with caution due to reduced hours and closures at doctor’s offices, public testing sites, and laboratories for the holidays. These...

www.floridahealth.gov

Makes sense and is good news to have confirmed...as good as it can be with 13K+ new cases

 

[Disney Experience]

For those who want a little science look at herd immunity here is a paper from Volume 52, Issue 7, 1 April 2011 of Clinical Infectious Diseases: (No it is not a April fools )

“Herd Immunity”: A Rough Guide

Abstract. The term “herd immunity” is widely used but carries a variety of meanings [1–7]. Some authors use it to describe the proportion immune among indi

academic.oup.com

Some of the topics it covers include nonrandom vaccination (Which is being done for Covid-19), Heterogeneous populations, imperfect immunity, and Freeloaders. It is not too long.