Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[giantgolfer]

Are there not other entities doing vaccinations? Here in NJ, we're about to ramp up with CVS and Walgreens, various health clinics, etc.

I just got an email from ACME also.

 

[GoofGoof]

Well, if nobody eats there, then they are sort of de facto closed.

I’ve been getting takeout from the start of this. The restaurants still get the food sales, they lose out on alcohol. A few of my favorite places do food and drink to go. They have signature drinks you can get in a to go cup and they sell 6 packs and even single beers in some cases. It’s not perfect and isn’t as good as being fully open, but so far places seem to be getting by.

 

[giantgolfer]

Well, if nobody eats there, then they are sort of de facto closed.

Why is nobody ordering food from them?

 

[DisneyCane]

I didn’t say those businesses should close did I?

How are they supposed to stay open if people aren't allowed to dine there? Takeout is not a total solution because they still have the overhead of a dining room. Also, many restaurants don't lend themselves to takeout because the food is much better eaten right after it is prepared and for the higher end restaurants a big part of the cost is the dining experience. A $50 steak doesn't taste that much different than a $20 steak but the dining experience is much different where you pay $50.

Many hot foods do not survive takeout or delivery with the same flavor and texture as when it is fresh. French fries get soggy, etc. Chinese food by and large tastes as good with takeout or delivery. Pizza is OK but I find that I usually have to re-warm it for the best taste.

 

[giantgolfer]

I’ve been getting takeout from the start of this. The restaurants still get the food sales, they lose out on alcohol. A few of my favorite places do food and drink to go. They have signature drinks you can get in a to go cup and they sell 6 packs and even single beers in some cases. It’s not perfect and isn’t as good as being fully open, but so far places seem to be getting by.

One of my good friends owns a bar/restaurant. Sure, in the beginning it was a struggle. But they adapted to the current conditions and found a way to make it work. Now they have added a whole slew of new customers! People that never considered them in the past ordered take out and now frequent quite a bit.

All it took was a little effort to start thinking a little differently. You can succeed.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

How are they supposed to stay open if people aren't allowed to dine there? Takeout is not a total solution because they still have the overhead of a dining room. Also, many restaurants don't lend themselves to takeout because the food is much better eaten right after it is prepared and for the higher end restaurants a big part of the cost is the dining experience. A $50 steak doesn't taste that much different than a $20 steak but the dining experience is much different where you pay $50.

Many hot foods do not survive takeout or delivery with the same flavor and texture as when it is fresh. French fries get soggy, etc. Chinese food by and large tastes as good with takeout or delivery. Pizza is OK but I find that I usually have to re-warm it for the best taste.

They may need to change their menu and pivot their business a bit.

The world is constantly changing and businesses have to adapt. If they want to play the victim card and close their doors, that’s their choice and it will allow better business leaders to take over the market. That’s business 101.

 

[DCBaker]

@DCBaker — Is there any info as to what the total number of vaccination appts that is? We are still in the first phases of roll-out here in FL (healthcare and elderly only) so at this rate it’s going to be a loooong time before the “rest of us” get a chance to have the shot.

???

I don't believe they have released those numbers. This isn't Broward as in the County saying this - just Broward Health.

Here's the press release -

 

[Lilofan]

They may need to change their menu and pivot their business a bit.

The world is constantly changing and businesses have to adapt. If they want to play the victim card and close their doors, that’s their choice and it will allow better business leaders to take over the market. That’s business 101.

It is good that some businesses are getting creative but are they actually paying their rent on time? I've read many businesses are many months behind on their rent.

 

[giantgolfer]

They may need to change their menu and pivot their business a bit.

The world is constantly changing and businesses have to adapt. If they want to play the victim card and close their doors, that’s their choice and it will allow better business leaders to take over the market. That’s business 101.

Facebook and Instagram has been huge for A lot of the restaurants around us. They post their specials or pics of new dishes available for takeout almost daily.

 

[correcaminos]

About half the country would agree with me. I'm not sure the flat earth thing has a big following.

Not anymore. Majority will take it now. Seriously I am waiting on a solid reason why not.

I just hope those who do opt out for no real medical reason stay home. I'm honestly a bit tired of hearing this from people in general. People saying I was nuts for being in a trial. People saying the virus is a hoax. Many thousands are doing this to help everyone. Those chosing to effectively slap all who did this for the greater good in the face by saying no really need to stay home.

I get those who are afraid and I try to help reason with others. The public displays of getting vaccinated are helping as we see those compliance rates increasing to last I saw in the 70 some percent. We've jumped massively. I also understand some medically cannot. Which is why I want those opting not to, to stay home. Keep all who cannot safe.

 

[Horizons '83]

They may need to change their menu and pivot their business a bit.

The world is constantly changing and businesses have to adapt. If they want to play the victim card and close their doors, that’s their choice and it will allow better business leaders to take over the market. That’s business 101.

No offensive, but it sounds like you may have never had a small business before. It's not that easy to "adapt". Not every business owner has the ability to draw upon capital resources like the big chains do. Many Mom and Pop stores simply don't have the resources to change their whole business model on a dime. Take Out and outdoor eating really is the extent of what they can do right now.

I'm not advocating for indoor eating right now, but you must understand where those folks are coming from right?

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

It is good that some businesses are getting creative but are they actually paying their rent on time? I've read many businesses are many months behind on their rent.

I’m not sure. My local coffee shop just gave away all of a days profits to a local charity so I would hope they are paying the rent.

When this all started they paid a local developer to design a custom app so people can order coffee and food from their cars and they bring it out to your car. They’ve also run specials on home brew equipment, cold brew concentrate, etc.

They are really the only business I’ve been watching closely... I’ve got to keep my coffee brewing! Ha

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

No offensive, but it sounds like you may have never had a small business before.

No “offensive” taken but I have helped manage small / medium size businesses and I currently own a small business as well.

 

[giantgolfer]

No offensive, but it sounds like you may have never had a small business before. It's not that easy to "adapt". Not every business owner has the ability to draw upon capital resources like the big chains do. Many Mom and Pop stores simply don't have the resources to change their whole business model on a dime. Take Out and outdoor eating really is the extent of what they can do right now.

I'm not advocating for indoor eating right now, but you must understand where those folks are coming from right?

No one is saying to change their whole business model. It’s adapting to a threat to their business.

Honestly, if they werent prepared to adapt to any type of threat to their business, then how much longer were they going to last anyway, COVID or not?

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Honestly, if they werent prepared to adapt to any type of threat to their business, then how much longer were they going to last anyway, COVID or not?

This. 1000% this.

There will always be challenges in life. You get to choose if you play the victim card or not.

 

[Horizons '83]

No “offensive” taken but I have helped manage small / medium size businesses and I currently own a small business as well.

As do I, so you know its not always easy for us to switch models. Restaurants particularly, although I don't own that type of business. I've had to get very creative to sustain (really break-even at this point) the small business I do have.

I get what you are saying, survival of the fittest, and in normal times I agree with that. In these times I simply don't agree and it isn't that cut and dry. That's all, I hope you know I am not arguing with you, just offering my 2 cents.

 

[Horizons '83]

No one is saying to change their whole business model. It’s adapting to a threat to their business.

Honestly, if they werent prepared to adapt to any type of threat to their business, then how much longer were they going to last anyway, COVID or not?

To be honest, Covid isn't just "any threat", come on now .

Not many businesses were prepared for a 18 month global pandemic.

 

[easyrowrdw]

No I don’t think your the only one. Of course I don’t. There will always be people waiting for whatever. My question is this though.. wait and see what? Your not getting it because your not sure if it’s safe or you are just a rebel? If I’m wrong I apologize but it’s been proven safe so ..

It was developed and approved in rapid fashion - faster than anything we've seen before. No one knows the long-term effects of the vaccine. Drugs once deemed safe have later been found to cause problems - and that's under typical conditions. That's to say nothing of the political skepticism that has cast doubt on the process. I don't pay that much mind, but plenty of people do.

I'm getting my shot as soon as I'm able (I'm pretty much at the end of the line though). I'm not overly concerned and I really see no alternative if we ever want out of this mess. But I also understand why any of the above would make people hesitant.

 

[Miss Bella]

Could you clarify what you’re waiting to see?

ETA: @DisneyDebRob beat me to it.

Reactions to the vaccine and if it’s effective. I’ve had Covid blowing in my face for 10 months now. I don’t have an sense of urgency to try a new vaccine. I’m not high risk. I also don’t want to be out of work right now. They have already told us we will not get paid if we have an reaction and miss work.
Like I said I can’t speak for all healthcare workers some are getting it now and some are choosing to wait. Their reasons vary.

You can bash me all you want but my give a crap what anyone on here thinks bone broke after about the third day.

 

[GoofGoof]

They may need to change their menu and pivot their business a bit.

The world is constantly changing and businesses have to adapt. If they want to play the victim card and close their doors, that’s their choice and it will allow better business leaders to take over the market. That’s business 101.

My favorite BBQ place pivoted to a fried and rotisserie chicken menu. They kept the sides like Mac and cheese but it’s really hard to do good BBQ that takes hours to cook without knowing how many people will eat at any time. I never would have thought of getting a fried chicken sandwich from these guys before, but man is it good. Things aren’t great for them but they are making ends meet so far.