Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[lazyboy97o]

As someone who has posted in the Politics subforum from the beginning, I can tell you it is against forum rules to use the laugh emoji in a sarcastic or mocking manner. People have been suspended from the subforum for months at a time over it.

This post may not have started in the Politics section, but it was moved there. @The Mom just hasn’t gotten around to enforcing it on this thread. On other threads, that behavior has been monitored like a hawk.

This thread is not in the Politics forum, but using the reactions to troll is still against the rules for the entire board.

Announcement - 'Laugh' reaction usage

Rather sad state of affairs when I need to do this, but I will be banning users from threads that continue to use the 'laugh' reaction in a mocking or antagonistic way. Please be respectful to other posters.

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[DisneyDebRob]

Do you honestly think I'm the only person taking a wait and see approach to the vaccine. You can disagree with that approach all you want, but like I said I don't speak for other people. I do not know what's in the heart and mind of everyone's decision making process.
There are other non conspiracy type forums these forum isn't the end all be all of forums.

No I don’t think your the only one. Of course I don’t. There will always be people waiting for whatever. My question is this though.. wait and see what? Your not getting it because your not sure if it’s safe or you are just a rebel? If I’m wrong I apologize but it’s been proven safe so ..

 

[LittleBuford]

Do you honestly think I'm the only person taking a wait and see approach to the vaccine.

Could you clarify what you’re waiting to see?

ETA: @DisneyDebRob beat me to it.

 

[GoofGoof]

Hypothetically if you get vacinated why does it matter how many non vacinated are around? Aren't you now protected? So the virus will bounce around thosd who did not get vacinated but again why would this impact your visit etc if you and your family were vacinated? Im generally curious as i hear this a fair bit where people are going to avoid places due to the likelihood that some people there are not vacinated? They are at risk sure but you are not? Right?

There are people who can’t get the vaccine. Also in a best case scenario the vaccine is 95% effective and possibly lower once it’s rolled out to the masses. That means even if everyone who could get it got vaccinated there would be some people who were not immune (similar to measles). As long as enough people get vaccinated to reach herd immunity it’s not an issue because those who do get vaccinated will cover them. If enough people don’t get vaccinated we don’t reach herd immunity. So yes, from a purely self centered perspective once I’m vaccinated I am 95% confident that I’m safe but the economy won’t fully recover until cases flatline and we reach herd immunity. So if you care about the economy overall, or workers who are unemployed it matters how many non-vaccinated people are around.

 

[_caleb]

Hypothetically if you get vacinated why does it matter how many non vacinated are around? Aren't you now protected? So the virus will bounce around thosd who did not get vacinated but again why would this impact your visit etc if you and your family were vacinated? Im generally curious as i hear this a fair bit where people are going to avoid places due to the likelihood that some people there are not vacinated? They are at risk sure but you are not? Right?

We simply must move beyond thinking only about ourselves here. There are people among us who cannot (or, like @LUVMCO, will not) take the vaccine. For their protection, we will still need to be careful. In my opinion, a fun (expensive) trip to WDW isn’t worth the risk of passing the virus along to others, even if it doesn’t make me sick.

The longer the virus lingers about, the more mutation we will see. This jeopardizes the efficacy of the vaccines.

It's more about when you ask people to be responsible, most act accordingly. When you demand people follow irrational rules (Restaurants closed, but flying is ok), the messengers lose credibility and the backlash occurs. People aren't selfish, they just don't trust the folks going on about it.

The fact that you can’t see the rationale behind restaurants being closed for indoor dining but flying being allowed is precisely why we need hard and fast rules rather than “use your best judgement, please.”

 

[drizgirl]

We simply must move beyond thinking only about ourselves here. There are people among us who cannot (or, like @LUVMCO, will not) take the vaccine. For their protection, we will still need to be careful. In my opinion, a fun (expensive) trip to WDW isn’t worth the risk of passing the virus along to others, even if it doesn’t make me sick.

So how long after the vaccine is available to anyone who wants it do you think people should not travel or dine indoors?

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

The fact that you can’t see the rationale behind restaurants being closed for indoor dining but flying being allowed is precisely why we need hard and fast rules rather than “use your best judgement, please.”

Agreed. Nobody needs to eat inside a restaurant. Indoor dining is a convenience and a luxury.

Travel is needed for all sorts of reasons, and restricting travel should be a complete last resort. But ideally people wouldn’t travel for non-necessary reasons (like going to Disney) when the CDC recommends not to and hospitals are filling up.

 

[Jrb1979]

So how long after the vaccine is available to anyone who wants it do you think people should not travel or dine indoors?

Once cases start dropping and ICUs are full with Covid patients.

 

[drizgirl]

Agreed. Nobody needs to eat inside a restaurant. Indoor dining is a convenience and a luxury.

Travel is needed for all sorts of reasons, and restricting travel should be a complete last resort. But ideally people wouldn’t travel for non-necessary reasons (like going to Disney) when the CDC recommends not to and hospitals are filling up.

Unfortunately making a living IS a life necessity for the people who own those businesses and work there.

 

[drizgirl]

Once cases start dropping and ICUs are full with Covid patients.

I assume that's "not" full. That's reasonable and I'm confident that will be the case by then.

 

[_caleb]

People have been saying the most horrible things to and about each other the last few days - I wish there was a reset button somewhere.

Honestly, I didn't realize people were so affected by emojis. If someone whose opinion I valued laughed at a serious point I was trying to make, there's no question I would be hurt. But if it's some random internet person, I just figure they can't come up with a valid response. It's a shame people are using emojis as an additional weapon to make someone feel bad. As if we need that these days.

Some may just be random internet people, but I’ve tried to engage in good faith. For thousands of pages, I’ve read along for the sake of good discussion and to try to engage with thoughtful people I may disagree with. In my opinion, the trolling undermines that.

And when people I’m trying to engage with egg on that sort of behavior (by liking the posts of trolls), it makes it much harder for me to take them seriously.

 

[Disney Experience]

Hypothetically if you get vacinated why does it matter how many non vacinated are around? Aren't you now protected? So the virus will bounce around thosd who did not get vacinated but again why would this impact your visit etc if you and your family were vacinated? Im generally curious as i hear this a fair bit where people are going to avoid places due to the likelihood that some people there are not vacinated? They are at risk sure but you are not? Right?

Others in previous posts have given good reason why getting as many people vaccinated as possible is beneficial to both the vaccinated and unvaccinated.

Another reason is to limit the chances of a beneficial mutation in the virus. Eliminating viable reservoirs of the virus is good and important.

As an individual, as long as demand for vaccination is above supply. Waiting to see the short term results of millions vaccinated vs the tens of thousands of us who were in the trial is a strategy that I would not say is “unreasonable”.

I would have a different opinion if an individual never plan to get vaccinated no matter how rare serious side effects are, and instead want others to provide herd immunity “for” them.

Now if they have a medical reason not to get vaccinated that too is a reasonable reason not to get vaccinated.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

It's more about when you ask people to be responsible, most act accordingly. When you demand people follow irrational rules (Restaurants closed, but flying is ok), the messengers lose credibility and the backlash occurs. People aren't selfish, they just don't trust the folks going on about it.

The problem with that line of thinking is that states don't have the authority to shut down air travel but do have the authority to set safety rules for things like dining. So the only solutions that would resolve this perceived inconsistency in restrictions would either be for states to attempt to overstep their authority by shutting down air travel or for states to give up any authority simply because they can't shut down air travel. Neither of those solutions is logical.

 

[GoofGoof]

I can't speak for everyone choosing to not get the vaccine at this time. If you want differing viewpoints you would need to go to another forum. There are hundreds of forums out there where people discuss this topic.

I've never given an opinion on the vaccine nor told anyone not to get it or to get. I've only said I'm not getting it at this time and I'm not alone. I can't tell you why every healthcare worker opting out is opting out. It's a personal decision.
There is no vaccine shaming going on among my co-workers. People in real life are respectful of others choices. I can't say the same thing about this forum.

You are free to chose to get the vaccine or not. I don’t see anything that I said as vaccine shaming. It’s an absolute fact that the fastest way to end this pandemic and restore the economy is to get everyone vaccinated. Is it shaming to point that out? You can choose to not get vaccinated for whatever reason you want. Regardless of why you chose not to get vaccinated if enough people make the same choice the pandemic will drag on longer and the economic impact will be felt for longer than it needs to. That’s also a fact. This pandemic isn’t going to end until we reach herd immunity. So if people are concerned for workers who are unemployed or for businesses that are shuttered the best thing they can do to help in the medium to long term is get vaccinated.

I do find it ironic that you are talking about people being respectful of other’s choices when you were questioning people‘s courage because they weren’t traveling or eating out. Shouldn’t we also respect people‘s choice to not want to spread an infectious disease? Doesn‘t it work both ways?

 

[_caleb]

Unfortunately making a living IS a life necessity for the people who own those businesses and work there.

Yes, everyone needs to make a living. But we came to a point where what many people do to make a living became a threat to society as a whole. And many more people have insisted on engaging in non-essential activities. Fortunately, we live in a wealthy country that has options for how to provide for those who (through no fault of their own) cannot conduct their business.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Unfortunately making a living IS a life necessity for the people who own those businesses and work there.

I didn’t say those businesses should close did I?

 

[carolina_yankee]

Are there not other entities doing vaccinations? Here in NJ, we're about to ramp up with CVS and Walgreens, various health clinics, etc.

 

[Polkadotdress]

@DC

@DCBaker — Is there any info as to what the total number of vaccination appts that is? We are still in the first phases of roll-out here in FL (healthcare and elderly only) so at this rate it’s going to be a loooong time before the “rest of us” get a chance to have the shot.

???

 

[drizgirl]

I didn’t say those businesses should close did I?

Well, if nobody eats there, then they are sort of de facto closed.

 

[giantgolfer]

Are there not other entities doing vaccinations? Here in NJ, we're about to ramp up with CVS and Walgreens, various health clinics, etc.

I just got an email from ACME also.