Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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GoofGoof

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Got a page doesn’t exist for PA. Guess there’s no plans as of yet. 🙂
They have 3 phases right now:
  1. Phase 1 - now, while vaccine is limited, focus on healthcare workers, first responders and LT care residents.
  2. Phase 2 - when a large amount of doses are available, focus on anyone from phase 1 that didn’t get it yet and the general population
  3. Phase 3 - when enough doses are available for the entire population, focus on vaccinating the entire population.
Yes, the most useless plan ever conceived. You actually got just as much info from the broken link ;)

 
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GoofGoof

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So it’s ok for you to baselessly accuse others of crimes but it’s wrong to baselessly accuse you of crimes?
Accusing doctors and medical workers who have been working tirelessly for over 9 months now to help people who are in their greatest time of need of committing fraud to gain profits from Covid is pretty despicable. These people are putting their own health and the health of their families at higher risk for the greater good. Yes, that’s their job and they get paid a salary to do it, but we should all probably say “thank you for giving so much to help us”, instead of accusing them of trying to profit from Covid without any evidence except for a few conspiracy theories that have already being thoroughly debunked. I thought we were past all of this...is this still a talking point?
 

JoeCamel

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do you have another source for that?? I'm not questioning it, I would like to read more about it because I have been wondering about the vaccine against it. This article briefly mentions it.
I don't have a source I can link. One of the discussion groups I participate in has a couple of very smart people who can search out, understand and summarize the way the vaccine works against this virus and what that means in light of the mutation. Seems to be the same mechanism of infection so the antibody is just as effective

With this in the UK then the Oxford trial was run against it so it has been tested

I think there are a couple of strains circulating in the US as well. What I got last spring and what my friend got last week were totally different experiences. I think I got mine on the west coast while he got his here in Florida
 
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Disney Experience

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do you have another source for that?? I'm not questioning it, I would like to read more about it because I have been wondering about the vaccine against it. This article briefly mentions it.
The following is not a study, but does describe the UK methodology:


They will especially be looking at strains sampled from people who get reinfected.

As is well known once the vaccines come out there will be selection bias to variants that the vaccine is less effective against. Sooner we get the world vaccinated, sooner we have less virus that can get a beneficial for it mutation.
 

GoofGoof

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Army General in charge of vaccine distribution for Warp Speed apologized for the miscommunication over doses going to various states. Nothing nefarious here, just a massive undertaking that is almost guaranteed to have some bumps along the way. Everyone needs to be a little patient and “trust the process”. There’s nothing wrong with the production or distribution of the vaccines (plural starting next week :)). I want mine as soon as I’m eligible, but I understand getting hundreds of millions of people 2 doses of a vaccine is a massive undertaking.

 

JoeCamel

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From my understanding they "think" the vaccines will be effective but they do not have evidence as of yet. They should have evidence in the next few weeks.
No science looked directly for this mutation in the Oxford trials and those volunteers still showed an impressive immunity rate compared to the placebo. If the mutation is in the wild as they say then that study included this mutation in the study even if they didn't differentiate the data or test for it.
 

Touchdown

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Army General in charge of vaccine distribution for Warp Speed apologized for the miscommunication over doses going to various states. Nothing nefarious here, just a massive undertaking that is almost guaranteed to have some bumps along the way. Everyone needs to be a little patient and “trust the process”. There’s nothing wrong with the production or distribution of the vaccines (plural starting next week :)). I want mine as soon as I’m eligible, but I understand getting hundreds of millions of people 2 doses of a vaccine is a massive undertaking.


Except for when your hospital system doesn’t receive any vaccine doses with the first shipment because of this oopsie.

Im not happy.
 

GoofGoof

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Except for when your hospital system doesn’t receive any vaccine doses with the first shipment because of this oopsie.

Im not happy.
Fair point. There are going to be disappointments and some frustration along the way for sure, but I think that’s to be expected with this process. It’s not great that the issues started the second week, but I think it was a good bet we’d have some speed bumps overall. Hopefully everything gets back on track. They are still saying 20M people vaccinated by the first week of January so not a huge slip overall. It’s also possible to make up some time if the doses are ready to be shipped. A manufacturing slow down would be more problematic.
 

hopemax

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Twitter thread I've been waiting for. This is the Seattle guy who has been tracking the genome changes since the beginning.

Synopsis.

1. We do need to watch something like this UK mutation (btw, the South Africa mutation is a different mutation, so they are watching that one closely too).

2. The immune response the Pfizer / Moderna vaccines are producing is so powerful that it will likely take a large set of mutations for the virus to evade them in a significant way. However, smaller drops in efficacy would not be unexpected.

3. Over time, we likely will have to update the vaccine to include newer variants. But this is not influenza in terms of how fast and specific the virus is mutating in a way that is likely to evade the vaccines.

Most experts are using this to remind people why the other steps we are taking are so important (staying in your bubble especially). The more bodies the virus has a change to infect, the more mutations you would expect to find. Don't let the virus win the lottery by having so many tickets. So sure, you may recover just fine, but maybe your body was an incubator for a problematic mutation. This one, they think might have been from a patient who had a longer, chronic infection. Stop the spread, stop the mutations. But you can already hear the howling from the "rooting for the virus" people about how nothing we do will matter, and it's just government trying to scare people.

 

DCBaker

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Numbers are out (PDF has been updated) - there were 72 new reported deaths, along with 2 Non-Florida Resident deaths.

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