Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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hopemax

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One thing regarding Hospitalizations that our local media is starting to talk about...

Let's say you have employer based insurance, and you normally would go to a hospital with doctors that are in-network . But let's say that hospital is full. So you get taken/transferred to a hospital with doctors that are out-of-network. The doctors can "balance bill" the difference. The Governor in our state, has asked billing departments to essentially, "Pretty please, don't do this." But there are no actual laws for employer based insurance (state plans don't allow balance billing) to prevent the charges. This has been something that has come before Congress as part of health care reform, but you know how that goes.

Just something to consider, especially if you need hospital treatment for something NOT COVID and end up in a hospital with out of network doctors, because while there has been some steps taken to prevent COVID patients with huge bills, this feels like the making of a donut hole if you are there for something else.
 

Calmdownnow

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We need to respect it and take proper precautions.
Which is what avlot of non-MAGA people have been saying for 8 months. Taking proper precautions and temporarily closing down the high transmission activities cuts infections, hospitalizations and deaths. When you get the infection rates down -- and it can take 3 to 4 weeks - you open up the economy and businesses can return. When everyone knows what the game plan is, people can sign up for the strategy and comply with the restrictions for the time scale required. Most communities in most States have never been asked to buy into this deal because their political leaders were not honest about what was needed.
 

SoFloMagic

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Which is what avlot of non-MAGA people have been saying for 8 months. Taking proper precautions and temporarily closing down the high transmission activities cuts infections, hospitalizations and deaths. When you get the infection rates down -- and it can take 3 to 4 weeks - you open up the economy and businesses can return. When everyone knows what the game plan is, people can sign up for the strategy and comply with the restrictions for the time scale required. Most communities in most States have never been asked to buy into this deal because their political leaders were not honest about what was needed.
I agree 100%. I think you hit the nail on the head - they don't know what's needed and why it's important because they literally watch different news.
I still do think that some actual Republicans get it and are genuinely (miguidedly?) attempting to save businesses though.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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I agree 100%. I think you hit the nail on the head - they don't know what's needed and why it's important because they literally watch different news.
I still do think that some actual Republicans get it and are genuinely (miguidedly?) attempting to save businesses though.

There’s only one reality...having people spin it different ways is what’s screwed up and caused the loss of an entire year in the United States.
 

seascape

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One thing regarding Hospitalizations that our local media is starting to talk about...

Let's say you have employer based insurance, and you normally would go to a hospital with doctors that are in-network . But let's say that hospital is full. So you get taken/transferred to a hospital with doctors that are out-of-network. The doctors can "balance bill" the difference. The Governor in our state, has asked billing departments to essentially, "Pretty please, don't do this." But there are no actual laws for employer based insurance (state plans don't allow balance billing) to prevent the charges. This has been something that has come before Congress as part of health care reform, but you know how that goes.

Just something to consider, especially if you need hospital treatment for something NOT COVID and end up in a hospital with out of network doctors, because while there has been some steps taken to prevent COVID patients with huge bills, this feels like the making of a donut hole if you are there for something else.
Send the bill to Governor Cuomo. He is the one ordering Hospitals to move patients to other hospitals.
 

DCBaker

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"Orange County Mayor Jerry Demings said Monday that his staff will draft an order to impose fines on businesses that don’t enforce social distancing, require employees to wear masks or other guidelines to stop the spread of the coronavirus — a move the mayor said he believes is legal despite Gov. Ron DeSantis’ order prohibiting such fines against individuals.

Demings, who hinted for weeks that he might take that step, made the announcement at the first county briefing since before Thanksgiving and the long holiday weekend, when videos surfaced from inside two Orlando nightclubs that showed patrons without masks and packed tightly together. He said he’ll finalize a decision this week on whether or how to impose the fines and did not give a range of the dollar amounts."

“We will likely structure it for what I call habitual [offenders], who have been found to be non-compliant multiple-times,” Demings said. “You know, we have talked about this for several weeks now and we have gotten compliance up. But we still, for whatever reason, have a few bad actors, who just are insistent that they’re going to continue to disregard common sense guidelines that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have recommended. So I’m going to have to move to the next level.”

 

GoofGoof

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Great if true....but Ill believe it when someone in the new admin says it. I mean this is the same group of people that said we would have enough tests for EVERYONE by the end of spring 2020.

I’m very optimistic for the vaccine, but notice the wording is that 100% of Americans that want the vaccine will have it by June and then they say they will have over 300M doses by then. If the assumption is only 50% of people will want the vaccine then 320M will be enough. I think as time goes on if there are no major issues demand goes up and the percent is much higher. The biggest question is how many is enough to really put a dent in the case totals. If half the population is vaccinated by June is that enough to drive cases low enough to start seeing restrictions lifted.
 

Parker in NYC

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I don't agree with him much, but he seems like a smart guy. I think he genuinely believes that the democrats want to shut down the world and kill off small businesses. So in his mind, the antithesis of that must be the road forward.

The proper answer is likely somewhere in between. Covid is scary but we don't need to be afraid of it. We need to respect it and take proper precautions.

I swear there's room for Republicans to be the party of masks and distancing but keeping businesses open - label the dems as the lockdown party and the Republicans as the smart precautions party.
Any country that has significant exposure to international trade and travel has faired about the same no matter what program they've followed. Viruses don't listen to the news, aren't swayed by public opinion, don't follow arbitrary rules, don't belong to political parties, and don't participate in economies.

Unless individuals/countries are completely self-sufficient they have to interact with others to continue long term.
So what’s your solution?
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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Send the bill to Governor Cuomo. He is the one ordering Hospitals to move patients to other hospitals.

You invalidate everything productive you say when you repeat bad cable tv show garbage like this. Love him or hate him...cuomo is doing much better with the covid control response that damn near any other state. That’s the facts...what your throwing around is not.

"Orange County Mayor Jerry Demings said Monday that his staff will draft an order to impose fines on businesses that don’t enforce social distancing, require employees to wear masks or other guidelines to stop the spread of the coronavirus — a move the mayor said he believes is legal despite Gov. Ron DeSantis’ order prohibiting such fines against individuals.

Demings, who hinted for weeks that he might take that step, made the announcement at the first county briefing since before Thanksgiving and the long holiday weekend, when videos surfaced from inside two Orlando nightclubs that showed patrons without masks and packed tightly together. He said he’ll finalize a decision this week on whether or how to impose the fines and did not give a range of the dollar amounts."

“We will likely structure it for what I call habitual [offenders], who have been found to be non-compliant multiple-times,” Demings said. “You know, we have talked about this for several weeks now and we have gotten compliance up. But we still, for whatever reason, have a few bad actors, who just are insistent that they’re going to continue to disregard common sense guidelines that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have recommended. So I’m going to have to move to the next level.”

It’s December 1st...typical flor-I-duh, wait 10 months to “get serious”
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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I don't agree with him much, but he seems like a smart guy. I think he genuinely believes that the democrats want to shut down the world and kill off small businesses. So in his mind, the antithesis of that must be the road forward.

The proper answer is likely somewhere in between. Covid is scary but we don't need to be afraid of it. We need to respect it and take proper precautions.

I swear there's room for Republicans to be the party of masks and distancing but keeping businesses open - label the dems as the lockdown party and the Republicans as the smart precautions party. But instead they go with this nonsense...

Have you paid attention to him at all? Seems like the opposite. His “covid team” is not comprised of doctors. Make some sense of that, please?
 
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