Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[seascape]

Heard the same thing...it’s a little too “guinea pig” than I wish it would be.

I wouldn't put it that way. My wife is a diabetic and wants to take the shot ASAP. I believe the studies show the vaccine is safe and effective. Everyone owes each other our health and welfare and should take the vaccine but I do understand that because of minor side effects and the possibility of needing a day or 2 off, businesses may want it spread out by a couple of days among their workforce. It's just another thing to consider that could help or hurt the economy because not everyone can take it on a Friday.

 

[Lilofan]

I wouldn't put it that way. My wife is a diabetic and wants to take the shot ASAP. I believe the studies show the vaccine is safe and effective. Everyone owes each other our health and welfare and should take the vaccine but I do understand that because of minor side effects and the possibility of needing a day or 2 off, businesses may want it spread out by a couple of days among their workforce. It's just another thing to consider that could help or hurt the economy because not everyone can take it on a Friday.

I hope for the elderly which includes members of my family that ones getting the vaccine will not have to wait in long lines. Its starting to get bitterly cold in parts of the country. I hope that states will be open to accept people living in the state ( aka snowbirds that have NY/NJ IDs living 1/2 of the year in FL ). Or other parts of the country not so warm.

 

[GoofGoof]

The interesting thing I heard this morning was that it is not a good ideal to give all the front line healthcare workers the vaccine immediately because of the side effects of the second shot. They should be spread out several days apart incase the pain and possible slight fever may hurt medical coverage. I have to agree that makes some sense.

It’s going to take a month of longer to vaccinate the first group. It’s not like everyone will get injected on the same day. Also Pfizer and Moderna have different dosing schedules so even if 2 nurses or doctors got injected on the same date (1 from each vaccine) their second dose won’t be on the same day. Also, the side effects are not guaranteed to knock someone out of work. Several people I have heard from that took part in the trial said the reaction occurred but they didn’t miss time at work. I know some people reported more severe reactions too, but the point is I don’t think it’s a guarantee to happen or even likely. Moderna’s press release listed the moderate and severe adverse reactions and the percentages were all below 10% so in general over 90% of people won’t have a reaction severe enough to effect their work status.

 

[Heppenheimer]

It’s going to take a month of longer to vaccinate the first group. It’s not like everyone will get injected on the same day. Also Pfizer and Moderna have different dosing schedules so even if 2 nurses or doctors got injected on the same date (1 from each vaccine) their second dose won’t be on the same day. Also, the side effects are not guaranteed to knock someone out of work. Several people I have heard from that took part in the trial said the reaction occurred but they didn’t miss time at work. I know some people reported more severe reactions too, but the point is I don’t think it’s a guarantee to happen or even likely. Moderna’s press release listed the moderate and severe adverse reactions and the percentages were all below 10% so in general over 90% of people won’t have a reaction severe enough to effect their work status.

We'll need to wait until the data is actually published to verify, but it seems like most of the reactions could be easily palliated with a hefty accompanying dose of an NSAID or acetaminophen.

 

[DCBaker]

 

[Disney Experience]

A few people here have been part of the trials. @helenabear or @Disney Experience can probably answer this question for both the Moderna and Pfizer trials.

I do not think there is a clause prohibiting it . I even remembering the doctor saying some people had done the test, but one should not assume correlation must occur of that result and effectiveness of vaccine. I am in the Pfizer study, my wife is in the Moderna. I will see if I can locate our respective paperwork later.

Our symptoms from the second shot we each got alone though was a tell that we each got vaccinated with the vaccine and not placebo.

I just got mail from the research site describing post EUA what the plans are in respect to those who got the placebo.

 

[Disney Experience]

After the second dose? I think the people running the trial would be blind but if you got a test once the vaccine was administered?
I would think as part of the trial they are drawing blood to see what the antibody level is after the vaccine has had time to work?

Yes, They draw blood as part of the trial, but the information is not shared in order to facilitate the “blindness” in the study. I hope they share our specific results once it is unblinded.

 

[correcaminos]

It’s going to take a month of longer to vaccinate the first group. It’s not like everyone will get injected on the same day. Also Pfizer and Moderna have different dosing schedules so even if 2 nurses or doctors got injected on the same date (1 from each vaccine) their second dose won’t be on the same day. Also, the side effects are not guaranteed to knock someone out of work. Several people I have heard from that took part in the trial said the reaction occurred but they didn’t miss time at work. I know some people reported more severe reactions too, but the point is I don’t think it’s a guarantee to happen or even likely. Moderna’s press release listed the moderate and severe adverse reactions and the percentages were all below 10% so in general over 90% of people won’t have a reaction severe enough to effect their work status.

Well stated. There are enough people who had reactions enough to have a good idea if we had the real or placebo. I'd guess most of the people with side effects wouldn't need time off at all. I work from home and actually went in the day after my 2nd dose to do volunteer work just fine. Arm hurt quite a bit during some movements, but didn't cause things to stop.

 

[correcaminos]

I feel as if the companies would put that you can’t take an antibody test in a legal document for signature by the patients. It’s imperative that you do not know whether you have the real deal or the placebo

I've looked through and do not see a clause anywhere stating it in my original paperwork. I had no intention of taking one though.

From the communication I received a week or so ago they do think they will unblind after emergency approval of the vaccine pending approval to changes. Placebos will be vaccinated then. The reason for blinding on our end is so we don't act differently. Once a vaccine is out for all it won't matter quite as much.

 

[Disney Experience]

Well stated. There are enough people who had reactions enough to have a good idea if we had the real or placebo. I'd guess most of the people with side effects wouldn't need time off at all. I work from home and actually went in the day after my 2nd dose to do volunteer work just fine. Arm hurt quite a bit during some movements, but didn't cause things to stop.

The arm hurting on first and second shot would not impact my work, though if someone was a physical therapist, it might.

the day after the second shot was a Saturday. I had chills, body aches. Mild fever, and felt a bit tired. So I slept a lot and took it easy. If I had been working the symptoms would decrease my performance, but could have powered through it I suppose. Sunday I was fine.

We are in our late fifties and had similar reactions, we both would take it again . Benefit vs risk. I know my reaction was not reported to the study. They only had the first 6000 participants report post shot side effects. I just do a weekly covid response or if I get symptoms of covid. Symptoms of the shot were not , to me , covid.

My wife though reported daily her temp and symptoms for Moderna, until recently.

 

[correcaminos]

The arm hurting on first and second shot would not impact my work, though if someone was a physical thetapist, it might.

the day after the second shot was a Saturday. I had chills, body aches. Mild fever, and felt a bit tired. So I slept a lot and took it easy. If I had been working the symptoms would decrease my performance, but could have powered through it I suppose. Sunday I was fine.

We are in our late fifties and had similar reactions, we both would take it again . Benefit vs risk. I know my reaction was not reported to the study. They only had the first 6000 participants report post shot side effects. I just do a weekly covid response or if I get symptoms of covid. Symptoms of the shot were not , to me , covid.

My wife though reported daily her temp and symptoms for Moderna, until recently.

I'm 43 and had the arm really sore for 2 days. I ran a super mild (1 degree rise) fever a couple hours then it disappeared. I only tested my temp because I felt warm. I have scoliosis which often causes body aches so I never include that for me. No chills even when I felt warm for a short period. I slept horribly due to arm soreness so I cannot say any headache or fatigue was one or the other. To me the arm soreness was the one I could not attribute to psychosomatic or poor sleep at all given length of time it was sore. My last shot was on a Monday with heavy use of arm for volunteering on Tuesday. It wasn't fun but it sure didn't keep me home obviously.

I had my flu shot 17 days after 2nd dose as allowed and will willingly compare the two. My arm being sore is my most common side effect. I've had Tdap in the last year as well so I can compare it sort of at least. But I am not prone to fever, real fatigue, chills, aches, etc on any shot. Just sore arm. I compare these to to Tdap for me. Flu shot was half as much in terms of both pain amount and length it was sore.

I'd say if one uses their arm a lot load up on pain killers. I know I am one person of many and apparently older people have less side effects but it would be hard for me to believe these would require time off. I'm sure some will but I am not sure the vast majority would be bad enough off. A fever could keep some home, but 1 degree is not enough to keep even my kid home from school per their rules.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

why would Gavin newsom do that?!!??

 

[lazyboy97o]

why would Gavin newsom do that?!!??

Because Stefan Löfven told him to.

 

[DisneyCane]

I do not think there is a clause prohibiting it . I even remembering the doctor saying some people had done the test, but one should not assume correlation must occur of that result and effectiveness of vaccine. I am in the Pfizer study, my wife is in the Moderna. I will see if I can locate our respective paperwork later.

Our symptoms from the second shot we each got alone though was a tell that we each got vaccinated with the vaccine and not placebo.

I just got mail from the research site describing post EUA what the plans are in respect to those who got the placebo.

Was the actual injection extremely cold and, if so, did it cause discomfort while being injected? That's the first thing I thought of when I heard how cold the vaccine needed to be kept in shipment.

 

[Kevin_W]

Was the actual injection extremely cold and, if so, did it cause discomfort while being injected? That's the first thing I thought of when I heard how cold the vaccine needed to be kept in shipment.

I'll defer to those who have actually had it, of course, but the actual injection is ~0.5 mL. Even at -70C, that is not much thermal mass and I doubt it would be noticeable. Heck, I've had larger quantities of liquid nitrogen sprayed on my skin and it's not even very uncomfortable.

 

[Disney Experience]

Was the actual injection extremely cold and, if so, did it cause discomfort while being injected? That's the first thing I thought of when I heard how cold the vaccine needed to be kept in shipment.

I don't remember it being or feeling cold. But I know I had to wait almost thirty minutes before they administered the first shot. I also was asked to look away when they administered the shot. I assumed that was because the saline injection and the vaccine injection use different type of syringe or perhaps just the color of the fluid is a tell.

They also had me stick around thirty minutes after to make sure no serious immediate reaction. There wasn't. But that is not a tell, they make everyone wait after the shot. The people giving you the shot know which you got. But the local doctor and generally Pfizer is blind to who got placebo and who got vaccine. Only the review board gets unblinded information at this point.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Was the actual injection extremely cold and, if so, did it cause discomfort while being injected? That's the first thing I thought of when I heard how cold the vaccine needed to be kept in shipment.

The vaccine needs to be thawed first before it can be administered, from what I understand. From what I read, there's about a 24 hour window of time after it thaws before it degrades.

 

[Disney Experience]

I'm 43 and had the arm really sore for 2 days. I ran a super mild (1 degree rise) fever a couple hours then it disappeared. I only tested my temp because I felt warm. I have scoliosis which often causes body aches so I never include that for me. No chills even when I felt warm for a short period. I slept horribly due to arm soreness so I cannot say any headache or fatigue was one or the other. To me the arm soreness was the one I could not attribute to psychosomatic or poor sleep at all given length of time it was sore. My last shot was on a Monday with heavy use of arm for volunteering on Tuesday. It wasn't fun but it sure didn't keep me home obviously.

I had my flu shot 17 days after 2nd dose as allowed and will willingly compare the two. My arm being sore is my most common side effect. I've had Tdap in the last year as well so I can compare it sort of at least. But I am not prone to fever, real fatigue, chills, aches, etc on any shot. Just sore arm. I compare these to to Tdap for me. Flu shot was half as much in terms of both pain amount and length it was sore.

I'd say if one uses their arm a lot load up on pain killers. I know I am one person of many and apparently older people have less side effects but it would be hard for me to believe these would require time off. I'm sure some will but I am not sure the vast majority would be bad enough off. A fever could keep some home, but 1 degree is not enough to keep even my kid home from school per their rules.

Yes my temperature rise was only to 100.3, really mild. I checked for the same reason you did. I am surprised that our reactions to the second shot was greater than yours, since we are much older than you. But different people react differently. I never have a reaction to the flu shot. I got my latest flu shot after the honeymoon. My wife actually had her second Moderna shot in the middle of the honeymoon [After we left the Grand Floridian, but before we left for the Grand Hotel in Mackinac Island]. We made sure we would not be travelling the day after the second shot for her. She got her flu shot just a short time ago.

We both had Typhoid Fever vaccination early August, and had zero side effects. Same with Cholera, Hepa/HepB[Twinx], and Shingrix.
So I had not expected I would get side effects on the Covid vaccine but I did. I think the only time I ever had a vaccine reaction [and it was very mild] was on a tetanus shot. Well I did have a reaction in bootcamp at Age 17 when they loaded us up with vaccines. While standing at rest the chief noticed I turned white as a sheet, and I noticed I got very dizzy. Then again sometime after that (still in bootcamp) I came down with pneumonia, so might be a coincidence of when I was vaccinated then. I would discount the blisters[using a nice word for it] of the smallpox vaccine, since that was the reaction to that vaccine everyone had.

 

[Parker in NYC]

Yes my temperature rise was only to 100.3, really mild. I checked for the same reason you did. I am surprised that our reactions to the second shot was greater than yours, since we are much older than you. But different people react differently. I never have a reaction to the flu shot. I got my latest flu shot after the honeymoon. My wife actually had her second Moderna shot in the middle of the honeymoon [After we left the Grand Floridian, but before we left the Grand Hotel in Mackinac Island]. We made sure we would not be travelling the day after the second shot for her. She got her flu shot just a short time ago.

We both had Typhoid Fever vaccination early August, and hid zero side effect. Same with Cholera, Hepa/HepB[Twinx], and Shingrix.
So I had not expected I would get side effects on the Covid vaccine but I did. I think the only time I ever had a vaccine reaction [and it was very mild] was on a tetanus shot. Well I did have a reaction in bootcamp at Age 17 when they loaded us up with vaccines. While standing at rest the chief noticed I turned white as a sheet, and I noticed I got very dizzy. Then again sometime after(still in bootcamp) that I came down with pneumonia, so might be a coincidence of when I was vaccinated then. I would discount the blisters[using a nice word for it] of the smallpox vaccine, since that was almost absolute reaction to that vaccine everyone had.

You did Grand Floridian and the Grand Hotel in one fell swoop? In non-COVID times, I'd be totally jealous!

 

[MisterPenguin]

why would Gavin newsom do that?!!??

That's just Hong Kong officials fearmongering.

And Sweden having kept all its theme parks closed since the outbreak? Fearmongering.

And Paris Disney closed? More fearmongering.

Newsom's really got people scared!