Politics Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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marni1971

WDW History nut
Premium Member
7.8 billion people worldwide, at least 5-6 billion need to be vaccinated to snuff out this bug. Each of these companies maxes out at around 1 billion doses manufactured in all of 2021 (some a little higher and others lower). It will most likely take 5-7 vaccine candidates or more to get the job done (including Russia and China who are doing their own thing for the most part). The vaccine candidates made by Oxford/AstraZeneca and JnJ that don’t require deep freeze are even more critical for worldwide distribution.
The Oxford vaccine looks like it’ll re run tests again.
 

Kevin_W

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It doesn’t make immunological sense though, the higher the viral load the more immune response you expect and the more side effects too. When a study contradicts what we understand about the immune system it’s going to be more heavily scrutinized.
Not quite - there is a reason "the dose" is picked in the first place (presumably from varying doses given in animal studies). It's not that more = better.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
The Oxford vaccine looks like it’ll re run tests again.
I wonder if they can use the results from the US trial if it didn‘t have the same same issue with the accidental lower doses. Since the trial here started later and then got delayed they most likely corrected the issue before most of the participants were injected. Either way, we need to trust The science and if that means re-running testing and delaying the start of vaccinations then that’s what they need to do.

 

Kevin_W

Well-Known Member
The Oxford vaccine looks like it’ll re run tests again.

Sounds like a good idea, from what I've read. It doesn't sound nefarious here, it just sounds like this is a really hard complicated thing to do (which is why it usually takes years and years) and they somewhat screwed up their trial - whether that was pressure from the virus to be fast or pressure to keep up with the mRNA guys. Hopefully the underlying principals of the vaccine developed are still sound and it turns out to work.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Not quite - there is a reason "the dose" is picked in the first place (presumably from varying doses given in animal studies). It's not that more = better.
In this case they suspect the lower dose was more effective because none of the people who got it were under 55. It may be that the lower dose was enough for younger people with a healthy immune system.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I thought Mother Nature was done with us for 2020 after Covid, record number of hurricanes in the gulf, and the murder hornets on the West Coast of the US, but apparently she has one last gift to give...Zombie minks.

 

DCBaker

Premium Member
Numbers are out - there were 109 new reported deaths, along with 5 non-resident deaths. The new numbers to look for are from 11/25 and 11/26 since there was no report yesterday.

*Reminder that the results for the next few days may be wonky since most testing sites were closed yesterday.

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DCBaker

Premium Member
"Coronavirus cases are surging again in elder-care facilities nearly three months after the administration of Gov. Ron DeSantis issued an emergency order easing restrictions on visitations to nursing homes and assisted living facilities.

As of Nov. 23, 1,499 residents tested positive for the virus — a 35 percent increase from the 1,108 residents who were COVID-positive two weeks earlier, on Nov. 9. More than 2,000 staffers at these facilities also have the virus at present.

In assisted living facilities alone, the number of COVID-positive residents has jumped 70 percent from 156 to 264 in the two weeks between Nov. 9 and Nov. 23."

"Elder-care-related COVID figures reported by the Florida Health Department are snapshots in time and show only the number of people who are COVID-positive on any given day.

Seventy-eight staffers in elder-care facilities and 6,753 residents have died of the virus, according to the latest numbers reported by the state.

Last week, 3,853 residents were transferred out of nursing homes and ALFs, presumably to hospitals as their symptoms worsened.

Residents of nursing homes and other elder-care facilities are especially vulnerable given their age and the fact that many have serious underlying health conditions. But they can also suffer as a result of isolation from friends and loved ones, one motivation cited by DeSantis in ending the ban on visitation that was implemented when cases first spiked this past March."

 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
"Coronavirus cases are surging again in elder-care facilities nearly three months after the administration of Gov. Ron DeSantis issued an emergency order easing restrictions on visitations to nursing homes and assisted living facilities.

As of Nov. 23, 1,499 residents tested positive for the virus — a 35 percent increase from the 1,108 residents who were COVID-positive two weeks earlier, on Nov. 9. More than 2,000 staffers at these facilities also have the virus at present.

In assisted living facilities alone, the number of COVID-positive residents has jumped 70 percent from 156 to 264 in the two weeks between Nov. 9 and Nov. 23."

"Elder-care-related COVID figures reported by the Florida Health Department are snapshots in time and show only the number of people who are COVID-positive on any given day.

Seventy-eight staffers in elder-care facilities and 6,753 residents have died of the virus, according to the latest numbers reported by the state.

Last week, 3,853 residents were transferred out of nursing homes and ALFs, presumably to hospitals as their symptoms worsened.

Residents of nursing homes and other elder-care facilities are especially vulnerable given their age and the fact that many have serious underlying health conditions. But they can also suffer as a result of isolation from friends and loved ones, one motivation cited by DeSantis in ending the ban on visitation that was implemented when cases first spiked this past March."

Wait, you mean ignoring the virus doesn‘t work? Didn’t we figure out from last Spring that nursing homes need to be protected? How does any of this make sense?

Since it’s related I’ll leave this here:
 

JoeCamel

Well-Known Member
Wait, you mean ignoring the virus doesn‘t work? Didn’t we figure out from last Spring that nursing homes need to be protected? How does any of this make sense?

Since it’s related I’ll leave this here:
MIA Ron, does he think he lost an election? He has time left.......
 

hopemax

Well-Known Member
So random COVID Twitter thread of the day...

Someone noticed and commented about all the recent negative reviews on Yankee Candle's website, complaining about the "lack of scent." Someone else decided to review Amazon candle reviews for 2017 - 2020. There have been more negative/lack of scent reviews since the virus reached the US, and the last month has really accelerated.

If you can't smell your new candle, you might want to get a COVID test... and not leave a negative review.
 

FeelsSoGoodToBeBad

Well-Known Member
So random COVID Twitter thread of the day...

Someone noticed and commented about all the recent negative reviews on Yankee Candle's website, complaining about the "lack of scent." Someone else decided to review Amazon candle reviews for 2017 - 2020. There have been more negative/lack of scent reviews since the virus reached the US, and the last month has really accelerated.

If you can't smell your new candle, you might want to get a COVID test... and not leave a negative review.
Seems like those people should have taken the lack of perceived scent as a warning sign but sadly, I'm not really surprised many did not and instead chose to complain and blame someone else for the issue.

....and if that isn't typical 2020, I don't know what is.**

**Please don't take this as me pointing to "one side or the other" politically. I am not a fan of either side and the glass slipper could fit them both at any given time.
 
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DisneyDebRob

Well-Known Member
So random COVID Twitter thread of the day...

Someone noticed and commented about all the recent negative reviews on Yankee Candle's website, complaining about the "lack of scent." Someone else decided to review Amazon candle reviews for 2017 - 2020. There have been more negative/lack of scent reviews since the virus reached the US, and the last month has really accelerated.

If you can't smell your new candle, you might want to get a COVID test... and not leave a negative review.
I’ve never thought they had a long lasting scent when burned anyway. Open the lid and it smells so good. Start burning it and barely get a smell. Or maybe I’ve had Covid for the last 20 years. 🙂
Anyway my wife found candles that fill the house for half the price. I have a Christmas one burning now.. makes me want to open presents.
 

oceanbreeze77

Well-Known Member
So random COVID Twitter thread of the day...

Someone noticed and commented about all the recent negative reviews on Yankee Candle's website, complaining about the "lack of scent." Someone else decided to review Amazon candle reviews for 2017 - 2020. There have been more negative/lack of scent reviews since the virus reached the US, and the last month has really accelerated.

If you can't smell your new candle, you might want to get a COVID test... and not leave a negative review.
I do think the formula has changed. I LOVE yankee candles (basic, I know) but the last 2 years the scent has decreased. The ones I have this year last for maybe 30 minutes and then the smell fades out, and the smell is kind of weak. But I had some in storage from like 2/3 years ago and when I light those the smell is strong and lasts.
 

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