Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Is it? We must not have much fear or fear-mongering then, because I sure haven't seen much control.

...x2

 

[DCBaker]

"Pfizer Inc. is ready to ask the Food and Drug Administration to authorize emergency use of the company's COVID-19 vaccine, after an updated analysis of the clinical trial data found the vaccine to be 95% effective."

"In the Phase 3 study involving more than 43,000 volunteers, half received the experimental vaccine and half got a placebo. Participants received two shots, spaced 21 days apart.

In a news release describing the trial, Pfizer and its partner BioNTech reported there were 170 cases of COVID-19 among the participants: 162 cases in the people who got the placebo compared with eight seen in volunteers who got the vaccine. Ten cases of severe COVID-19 were seen in the trial: nine of them occurred in the placebo group and one was in the vaccinated group.

The companies said the vaccine's efficacy held up across gender, race, ethnicity and various ages. In people older than 65, a group at elevated risk from COVID-19, the efficacy was 94%."

"The most common, significant side effect seen in the study was fatigue, at a frequency of 3.8% after a second dose of the vaccine. No serious safety concerns were observed, the company said."

Pfizer To Seek FDA OK For COVID-19 Vaccine 'Within Days'

The vaccine was found to be 95% effective in an updated study analysis. Safety data required by the Food and Drug Administration showed no serious concerns, the company said.

www.npr.org

 

[Disstevefan1]

It’s right there beside the data showing that nobody has ever been infected at WDW.

Agreed, there is no data to prove WDW is any safer than the grocery, liquor store, gas station, pharmacy, dentist, doctor or vet. Whats also missing is the data that shows that WDW is some sort of a super spreader location...

 

[Disstevefan1]

And all those other things (besides maybe the liquor store) are places people need to visit right now.

And cast members need to go to work at WDW. And you could argue folks need vacation at least that's what my employer keeps saying, almost nagging, to take your vacation time for your own physical, emotional wellness.

 

[_caleb]

Agreed, there is no data to prove WDW is any safer than the grocery, liquor store, gas station, pharmacy, dentist, doctor or vet. Whats also missing is the data that shows that WDW is some sort of a super spreader location...

Plenty of data to show that it’s not as essential as those places, though (except maybe the liquor store...). Also, usually it’s possible to be in and out of those places within 15 mins. Certainly you wouldn’t be around the same people for more than 15 minutes. In the queue for Peter Pan, however...

 

[drizgirl]

And all those other things (besides maybe the liquor store) are places people need to visit right now.

This really is a major difference in perspective in how people are looking at this. If you decide which places people need to visit in deciding who can be open, you completely ignore which places people need to WORK in making that decision. Which is why I think we should focus on which places can put processes in place to hit a certain level of safety and let them be open.

I wonder how man people pushing for more closures have lost a job or a business through shutdown.

 

[Figgy1]

All the schools in New Jersey have a 4 day weekend the first or second week of November (it’s technically for the convention of the New Jersey education association...which of course didn’t even happen and few care about anyway...), so a large amount of people jump ship and bag the week. It’s filthy crowded in wdw the last 10+ years that week...that is a big reason why.

It's Joisey week and it's been going on since forever pretty much since WDW opened.

 

[_caleb]

And cast members need to go to work at WDW. And you could argue folks need vacation at least that's what my employer keeps saying, almost nagging, to take your vacation time for your own physical, emotional wellness.

No, Cast Members need to get paid. They don’t need to be around thousands of people from all across the country, many of whom (statistically) are carrying the virus. These are not the same thing, as we saw with the Paycheck Protection Program. ”CMs need work” is not a good excuse to go to WDW during a pandemic.

 

[Figgy1]

I'm trying to stay as hopeful as possible, but remember those videos we all saw from hospitals in china in late jan/early feb? I won't be surprised if we look like that soon.

They're already starting. There's the ones of bodies being moved to mobile morgues in Texas

 

[Disstevefan1]

I never said there weren’t people who got infected at any of those places and I never said WDW is a major source of spreading. You said if/when you find out there were cases at WDW to let you know. I was just letting you know...there were cases

If a tree falls in the woods, does it make a noise? I say yes, and yes, there were possibly folks who got infected while standing on WDW property. But is WDW a super spreader location? Significantly different than other locations? I have not seen anything that tells is that.

There are folks that say close down everything again. The initial close down of everything was successful in its purpose, to avoid overloading the hospitals while we were getting the ventilators and PPE and learning how to treat COVID.

Today is a different. We have an understanding, we have therapeutics and the survival rate is super high today, not so much when we started.

 

[_caleb]

If a tree falls in the woods, does it make a noise? I say yes, and yes, there were possibly folks who got infected while standing on WDW property. But is WDW a super spreader location? Significantly different than other locations? I have not seen anything that tells is that.

There are folks that say close down everything again. The initial close down of everything was successful in its purpose, to avoid overloading the hospitals while we were getting the ventilators and PPE and learning how to treat COVID.

Today is a different. We have an understanding, we have therapeutics and the survival rate is super high today, not so much when we started.

If we’ve learned so much, why are my social media timelines filled with desperate videos of healthcare workers pleading with the public to follow the protocols?

 

[Lilofan]

Anyone hear about the guest on LSD that recently assaulted a Disney park security guard? I think both parties need to get a covid test.

 

[Kevin_W]

"The most common, significant side effect seen in the study was fatigue, at a frequency of 3.8% after a second dose of the vaccine. No serious safety concerns were observed, the company said."

Pfizer To Seek FDA OK For COVID-19 Vaccine 'Within Days'

The vaccine was found to be 95% effective in an updated study analysis. Safety data required by the Food and Drug Administration showed no serious concerns, the company said.

www.npr.org

This is about as good of news as the vaccine efficiency itself. Low and infrequent side effects will certainly help uptake of the vaccine.

 

[Figgy1]

And cast members need to go to work at WDW. And you could argue folks need vacation at least that's what my employer keeps saying, almost nagging, to take your vacation time for your own physical, emotional wellness.

We've been getting stacks of info on how to do a staycation in your own house, home improvement ideas, how to keep your kids occupied and engaged while not actually physically interacting with others, how to be outdoors and physically distance, a whole list of places to avoid the list goes on and on

 

[Disstevefan1]

No, Cast Members need to get paid. They don’t need to be around thousands of people from all across the country, many of whom (statistically) are carrying the virus. These are not the same thing, as we saw with the Paycheck Protection Program. ”CMs need work” is not a good excuse to go to WDW during a pandemic.

Yes we can discuss the difference of getting paid to stay home or getting paid to work and its effects on people.

Getting paid to stay home sounds great, and our government can simply print money to pay folks.

I have never had the opportunity to get paid to stay home and I am keeping an open mind about it.

But yes, we can simply pay folks to stay home ...

 

[lazyboy97o]

If a tree falls in the woods, does it make a noise? I say yes, and yes, there were possibly folks who got infected while standing on WDW property. But is WDW a super spreader location? Significantly different than other locations? I have not seen anything that tells is that.

There are folks that say close down everything again. The initial close down of everything was successful in its purpose, to avoid overloading the hospitals while we were getting the ventilators and PPE and learning how to treat COVID.

Today is a different. We have an understanding, we have therapeutics and the survival rate is super high today, not so much when we started.

A study showing dining and hotels (major components of Walt Disney World) as major points of spread was just re-posted.

Are you volunteering to not take up room at a hospital since they’re filling up again?

 

[Disstevefan1]

We've been getting stacks of info on how to do a staycation in your own house, home improvement ideas, how to keep your kids occupied and engaged while not actually physically interacting with others, how to be outdoors and physically distance, a whole list of places to avoid the list goes on and on

Now I am really excited about my vacation ... Lets see, go to WDW or clean the garage...

 

[techgeek]

This really is a major difference in perspective in how people are look at this. If you decide which places people need to visit in deciding who can be open, you completely ignore which places people need to WORK in making that decision. Which is why I think we should focus on which places can put processes in place to hit a certain level of safety and let them be open.

I wonder how man people pushing for more closures have lost a job or a business through shutdown.

I can only speak for myself, but I have lost a 20 year career to this pandemic.

I fully support whatever needs to be done to save as many lives as possible. At this point I believe that means there should be increased restrictions on indoor dining, bars, and gyms, and only essential travel should be encouraged.

 

[Disstevefan1]

A study showing dining and hotels (major components of Walt Disney World) as major points of spread was just re-posted.

Are you volunteering to not take up room at a hospital since they’re filling up again?

Yes, I volunteering to not take up a room. (that's an easy bet, as there is a 99 percent chance I will not need one)
Also please post the link to the study you speak of. I love reading a useless study. Was this study paid for by the taxpayer?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Yes, I volunteering to not take up a room. (that's an easy bet, as there is a 99 percent chance I will not need one)
Also please post the link to the study you speak of. I love reading a useless study. Was this study paid for by the taxpayer?

It was posted yesterday, you can find it.