Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[lazyboy97o]

Yes, I volunteering to not take up a room. (that's an easy bet, as there is a 99 percent chance I will not need one)
Also please post the link to the study you speak of. I love reading a useless study. Was this study paid for by the taxpayer?

It was posted yesterday, you can find it.

 

[drizgirl]

I can only speak for myself, but I have lost a 20 year career to this pandemic.

I fully support whatever needs to be done to save as many lives as possible. At this point I believe that means there should be increased restrictions on indoor dining, bars, and gyms, and only essential travel should be encouraged.

Fair enough. So sorry to hear about your job.

I certainly don't think we should just throw everything open, but I think think the goal needs to be to find as many ways to open with safety precautions as possible. I don't agree on limiting things to "essential" only though. Because jobs are almost always essential. It's a balancing act for sure.

So how long should keep things closed down, or severely restricted? The vaccine hasn't even been tested on kids yet. It's going to be a while before everyone gets it.

 

[Figgy1]

Now I am really excited about my vacation ... Lets see, go to WDW or clean the garage...

We can't go so we may as well do a project or 6. The insulation one should be fun However the lower heating bills will be

 

[Figgy1]

I can only speak for myself, but I have lost a 20 year career to this pandemic.

I fully support whatever needs to be done to save as many lives as possible. At this point I believe that means there should be increased restrictions on indoor dining, bars, and gyms, and only essential travel should be encouraged.

I'm sorry to hear about your job

 

[techgeek]

Fair enough. So sorry to hear about your job.

I certainly don't think we should just throw everything open, but I think think the goal needs to be to find as many ways to open with safety precautions as possible. I don't agree on limiting things to "essential" only though. Because jobs are almost always essential. It's a balancing act for sure.

So how long should keep things closed down, or severely restricted? The vaccine hasn't even been tested on kids yet. It's going to be a while before everyone gets it.

It seems to me that the countries and states that have been doing the best at managing this have taken the ‘dimmer switch’ approach, dialing up or down targeted restrictions as necessary to keep community spread low, but stopping short of a complete lock down or a full reopening. It’s a situation where nuance is rewarded. So in that it seems we agree.

As many have said, the only real way out is a vaccine. So, until we have widespread distribution of that. Interestingly enough, it seems the Walt Disney company may have nailed the timeline almost perfectly when they chose a tentative fall 2021 end date on the park pass calendar.

 

[techgeek]

I'm sorry to hear about your job

In my case, I took the opportunity to pursue some training I had been wanting to do but never found the time for. In the long run, it may actually work out for the better... but I’m lucky I have had the resources and support (including CARES act and unemployment) to do that. Many have had to scramble just to keep food on the table.

 

[Disstevefan1]

We can't go so we may as well do a project or 6. The insulation one should be fun However the lower heating bills will be

Ah yes, installing insulation, that’s magical... be sure to wear long sleeves as well as long pants. You don’t want any of that on your skin! Very itchy!

 

[GoofGoof]

If a tree falls in the woods, does it make a noise? I say yes, and yes, there were possibly folks who got infected while standing on WDW property. But is WDW a super spreader location? Significantly different than other locations? I have not seen anything that tells is that.

There are folks that say close down everything again. The initial close down of everything was successful in its purpose, to avoid overloading the hospitals while we were getting the ventilators and PPE and learning how to treat COVID.

Today is a different. We have an understanding, we have therapeutics and the survival rate is super high today, not so much when we started.

Again, I never said WDW was a super spreader location. We really don’t know how many people got infected there. No idea. I‘ve been saying continuously that there’s a giant middle ground between everything open and full lockdowns but it seems like people just want to jump to the extremes. WDW doesn‘t need to close down right now, but it’s naive to think there’s no risk or no cases occurring there. The people going are willing to take the risk, just like people eating in a restaurant, going to a football game or hosting Thanksgiving at their house. I actually think visiting WDW on Thanksgiving day is probably safer than going to an extended family Thanksgiving dinner.

 

[Dan Deesnee]

Is it? We must not have much fear or fear-mongering then, because I sure haven't seen much control.

Really? "Close non essential businesses and skip Thanksgiving and Christmas. Wear a mask in your house if you have a guest over. Close playgrounds, etc. etc. etc." Let's not forget about Disneyland being forced to stay closed.

You don't view those as controlling what the population can do, how they can work, how their kids can learn? And those are not based on fear of spreading the virus?

 

[Disstevefan1]

If we’ve learned so much, why are my social media timelines filled with desperate videos of healthcare workers pleading with the public to follow the protocols?

Well yes, it’s most important to follow and obey social media...

 

[Disstevefan1]

In the Moderna press release Theu did give a little color around side effects.

Again, I never said WDW was a super spreader location. We really don’t know how many people got infected there. No idea. I‘ve been saying continuously that there’s a giant middle ground between everything open and full lockdowns but it seems like people just want to jump to the extremes. WDW doesn‘t need to close down right now, but it’s naive to think there’s no risk or no cases occurring there. The people going are willing to take the risk, just like people eating in a restaurant, going to a football game or hosting Thanksgiving at their house. I actually think visiting WDW on Thanksgiving day is probably safer than going to an extended family Thanksgiving dinner.

Totally agree.

 

[Patcheslee]

And cast members need to go to work at WDW. And you could argue folks need vacation at least that's what my employer keeps saying, almost nagging, to take your vacation time for your own physical, emotional wellness.

We have a list of "Hotspots" according to work updated daily. Outside US have to quarantine 14 days before returning to work. Inside US travel no quarantine required now to return to work, but "highly recommend discussing any work or personal travel with manager to access risk". FYI home state IN is high risk, FL isn't according to them.
Have 4 vacation days yet to use this year, but can't use them in case I get sent to isolate because of exposure at work. We've had 10 ppl confirmed positive in 2 weeks, the place only has 326 on site employees.
Come Dec 10th I'll be having daily contact with contractors working onsite from 2 other states, and hard telling how that may go.

 

[_caleb]

Well yes, it’s most important to follow and obey social media...

*Healthcare workers. And not sure why you’d jump to “obey” instead of ”be considerate of,” “respect,” or “listen to,” but I guess that fits your narrative.

 

[Touchdown]

As far a liquor stores being an essential business that is unfortunately very much true. There are hundreds of thousands of people who are chemically dependent on alcohol in this country, take that away from them and you will put them into alcohol withdrawal which is a medical condition that can require hospitalization due to a high risk of seizures (and death.). The goal is to not stress hospitals further. Feel free to comment on how sad it is people exist in that dependency but don’t argue liquor stores aren’t essential because if the goal is to decrease hospitalizations they very much are.

 

[Kevin_W]

Really? "Close non essential businesses and skip Thanksgiving and Christmas. Wear a mask in your house if you have a guest over. Close playgrounds, etc. etc. etc." Let's not forget about Disneyland being forced to stay closed.

You don't view those as controlling what the population can do, how they can work, how their kids can learn? And those are not based on fear of spreading the virus?

Outside of Disneyland, I don't see a lot of non-essential businesses closed right now. And the general response I've seen to the recommendations for Thanksgiving/Christmas/masks (from people promoting the government fear-mongering idea) has been "screw that".

 

[Kevin_W]

*Healthcare workers. And not sure why you’d jump to “obey” instead of ”be considerate of,” “respect,” or “listen to,” but I guess that fits your narrative.

Yes, keep in mind that our president largely governs via social media. The platforms are an effective way of disseminating information.

 

[Dan Deesnee]

Outside of Disneyland, I don't see a lot of non-essential businesses closed right now. And the general response I've seen to the recommendations for Thanksgiving/Christmas/masks (from people promoting the government fear-mongering idea) has been "screw that".

And yet millions will comply out of fear.

Back to my original point, the study of our response, and to your point the various responses from the general public, will be fascinating and taking place long into the future. I'm curious how history will judge us.

 

[Jrb1979]

Outside of Disneyland, I don't see a lot of non-essential businesses closed right now. And the general response I've seen to the recommendations for Thanksgiving/Christmas/masks (from people promoting the government fear-mongering idea) has been "screw that".

And yet millions will comply out of fear.

Back to my original point, the study of our response, and to your point the various responses from the general public, will be fascinating and taking place long into the future. I'm curious how history will judge us.

I hear so many talk about the fear mongering and the government controlling us. What should have happened then. Lock up the people that are at high risk and let the rest of us love life?

 

[Dan Deesnee]

I hear so many talk about the fear mongering and the government controlling us. What should have happened then. Lock up the people that are at high risk and let the rest of us love life?

Your missing my point a bit. Not debating how we responded, merely stating that it will be interesting to see, after we're past this, how history paints our response in the decades and centuries to come.

But to comment on your response, telling the most at risk to be extremely cautious would have been one way. Imagine taking 1.5 trillion dollars and creating the infrastructure and organizations to safely deliver food and essentials to the most at risk. Setting up things to keep their quality of life high while keeping them safe. As opposed to spending three trillion dollars to keep shuttered businesses and people that now can't work able to pay bills and buy food.

I'm not saying our response was good or bad, we've never been in this situation before. But as someone who studies economics and the financial markets, I'm very curious to see how our responses are looked at in the years to come and the long term effects they've had.

 

[sullyinMT]

As far a liquor stores being an essential business that is unfortunately very much true. There are hundreds of thousands of people who are chemically dependent on alcohol in this country, take that away from them and you will put them into alcohol withdrawal which is a medical condition that can require hospitalization due to a high risk of seizures (and death.). The goal is to not stress hospitals further. Feel free to comment on how sad it is people exist in that dependency but don’t argue liquor stores aren’t essential because if the goal is to decrease hospitalizations they very much are.

You’re right, but I never considered it until you said it. We’ve always collectively joked about it being essential, but I considered it more on a tax revenue for the state thing (and I’ve never been in a package store that was remotely “packed” like the supermarket can be so there’s that).