Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[_caleb]

Can you point to this research? Gyms, cafes and restaurants make logical sense but hotels don't really to me. If the rooms are properly sanitized, why would there be a lot of spread there?

Here's the link that was posted upthread. It doesn't really answer the question I think you're asking, though:
Massive dataset reveals 4 superspreader sites to avoid in winter 2021

Massive dataset reveals 4 superspreader sites to avoid in winter 2021

Researchers examining mobility offer robust evidence that social distancing works — and pinpoint locations to avoid during the pandemic.

www.inverse.com

This is no real surprise, but a recent study published today in Nature is proving to be very timely to the discussion on indoor dining:

 

[GoofGoof]

Can you point to this research? Gyms, cafes and restaurants make logical sense but hotels don't really to me. If the rooms are properly sanitized, why would there be a lot of spread there?

I said the same thing back when it was first posted. My theory is hotels got included because people staying there probably ended up eating out more and interacting more with other people. I don’t see how the hotel itself is an issue.

 

[hopemax]

I said the same thing back when it was first posted. My theory is hotels got included because people staying there probably ended up eating out more and interacting more with other people. I don’t see how the hotel itself is an issue.

They used mobile phone data to track where people had been. Hotels were high on the list of places visited. Spread could definitely happen in the common areas if there are infected people present, since those are the same areas that are problems outside of hotels (cafes, restaurants and fitness centers). But if people are simply checking in, staying in their rooms that should still fine assuming they don't touch their face and wash their hands after using the elevator and such. We stayed at a hotel 2 nights when we went to the in-laws. We took one look at the number of unmasked people talking and eating their breakfasts and then took our food back to eat in our room.

 

[GoofGoof]

They used mobile phone data to track where people had been. Hotels were high on the list of places visited. Spread could definitely happen in the common areas if there are infected people present, since those are the same areas that are problems outside of hotels (cafes, restaurants and fitness centers). But if people are simply checking in, staying in their rooms that should still fine assuming they don't touch their face and wash their hands after using the elevator and such. We stayed at a hotel 2 nights when we went to the in-laws. We took one look at the number of unmasked people talking and eating their breakfasts and then took our food back to eat in our room.

Yes, exactly. It’s the ancillary activities that could be a problem.

 

[carolina_yankee]

The echo chamber is saying otherwise. Why listen to the actual person when you can listen to a blowhard talking head tell you something that’s not remotely accurate.

It's actually an interesting discussion. His arguments seems to be that piecemeal approaches don't do much good, and that if we buckled down for a 4-6 week shutdown, coupled with compensation for lost wages/business, we could open the economy faster and be in a better position come vaccine time. Of course, he didn't say this as an advisor or make a formal recommendation, so it's moot.

The criticism is akin to "Biden's advisor picks his nose, so therefore Biden picks his nose, so therefore all Democrats want to require everybody to pick their nose and provide free Kleenex to do it."

Here's the link that was posted upthread. It doesn't really answer the question I think you're asking, though:
Massive dataset reveals 4 superspreader sites to avoid in winter 2021

Even here, gyms are the biggest losers, so targeted relief could work. The dining establishments can still function in to-go and outdoor capacities where practical, so also targeted relief. I do find the hotels a bit surprising, but then again, I specifically avoided hotels this summer and stayed in AirBnBs because I just didn't trust what public areas would be like.

We could get quiet logical and targeted and potentially make a huge difference without shutting everything down.

I'm wondering if part of the resistance is the fear that such a step wouldn't work so why incur the loss for no gain? Or an antipathy to the idea of relief (handouts!), or targeted relief (How do you pay them not to work, what about me?!!)?

Regardless, with 124,000 cases at 6 pm ET on a Sunday evening and 9 states still to report (including Texas), not doing something is not going to be a good idea for long.

Overall, I'm in favor fo the "dimmer approach" in which you dial up or down based on conditions. The problem is that you have to dim enough to make a difference since you don't results for two weeks. So it's probably partly guess work. But the article suggests where to start.

 

[Sir_Cliff]

Victoria records no new coronavirus cases for 17th day in a row

Victoria has continued its run of no new coronavirus cases or deaths, recording double zeros for the 17th day in a row.
There are still three active cases in the state and there were 6,695 tests processed in the last day.

I know the severe lockdown in Melbourne and the state of Victoria, Australia may not be possible or desirable everywhere. It did seem to work, though, as they have now reached 17 days with no new coronavirus cases or deaths.

Mind you, Australia has also been pretty tough in closing state and national borders.

 

[DCBaker]

Washington Gov. Inslee has announced these restrictions -

Inslee orders new restrictions on indoor gatherings, restaurants, bars, gyms as COVID-19 cases surge

Gov. Jay Inslee on Sunday announced sweeping restrictions on social, economic and cultural life, set to go into effect in the next two days. They are the strictest the state has seen since the emergency stay-at-home order in March.

www.seattletimes.com

 

[GoofGoof]

Washington Gov. Inslee has announced these restrictions -

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Inslee orders new restrictions on indoor gatherings, restaurants, bars, gyms as COVID-19 cases surge

Gov. Jay Inslee on Sunday announced sweeping restrictions on social, economic and cultural life, set to go into effect in the next two days. They are the strictest the state has seen since the emergency stay-at-home order in March.

www.seattletimes.com

I think this is coming in a lot of places. It’s a far cry from the Spring lockdowns, but I’m sure the political pundits will declare this “draconian” and a full lock down.

 

[Figgy1]

Despite a story about wally limiting shoppers my local had both entrances operating and no one formally counting the ins and outs this morning.

I was at my Wally when it opened this morning they were counting in and out even though it was empty. They had a person sanitizing carts and the Black Friday movies were out in an isle I just happened to walk down.

 

[Figgy1]

are people panic buying in your neck of the woods?

The few people I saw had cleaning products in their carts but not panic amounts. My cart was the fullest I saw but I got the last of my holiday baking items and some chips for my kids

 

[SourcererMark79]

I think the logistics planners have dropped the priority of shipping pet supplies in favor of other goods since this started and we are using up what supplies there are.

I finally found cans of Diet Dr. Pepper at my Publix yesterday. Buy 2 get 2. I felt like the grinch with my cart filled up!

 

[danlb_2000]

I don’t know what you mean but they definitely have- I work with families in China every day and they are back to normal with masks

I will second this. My company has a facility in China and we get regular updates on the conditions there and they are doing pretty good. Singapore and Taiwan are also doing quite well.

 

[Kevin_W]

I finally found cans of Diet Dr. Pepper at my Publix yesterday. Buy 2 get 2. I felt like the grinch with my cart filled up!

I'm apparently the only person in my zip code who likes Caffeine Free Diet Mountain Dew. I haven't seen it in months...

 

[Kevin_W]

I think this is coming in a lot of places. It’s a far cry from the Spring lockdowns, but I’m sure the political pundits will declare this “draconian” and a full lock down.

Except for schools being open, it looks a lot like the spring closures.

 

[DCBaker]

"Today I was notified by NHS Test and Trace that I must self-isolate as I have been in contact with someone who tested positive for COVID-19."

"I have no symptoms, but am following the rules and will be working from No 10 as I continue to lead the government's pandemic response."

Boris Johnson self-isolating after MP tests positive for Covid-19

The prime minister says he was contacted by NHS Test and Trace but is not showing any symptoms.

t.co

 

[DCBaker]

New restrictions announced for Michigan -

New 3-week COVID-19 restrictions to shut down Michigan colleges, high schools, casinos

In-person classes at Michigan high schools and colleges will be suspended for three weeks under sweeping new restrictions aimed at reining COVID-19.

www.freep.com

 

[JoeCamel]

"Today I was notified by NHS Test and Trace that I must self-isolate as I have been in contact with someone who tested positive for COVID-19."

"I have no symptoms, but am following the rules and will be working from No 10 as I continue to lead the government's pandemic response."

Boris Johnson self-isolating after MP tests positive for Covid-19

The prime minister says he was contacted by NHS Test and Trace but is not showing any symptoms.

t.co

Ummm, didn't he already have it and emerge victorious?

 

[DCBaker]

Ummm, didn't he already have it and emerge victorious?

He did. Trying to set an example by following the guidelines?

 

[JoeCamel]

He did. Trying to set an example by following the guidelines?

I guess, wonder what his science says about that? Nevermind, I just found it odd and it really has nothing to do with here.

 

[GoofGoof]

Except for schools being open, it looks a lot like the spring closures.

I guess it was different everywhere. Comparing that list to where I live here’s all the stuff that’s less restricted or not at all:

• Retail stores that are deemed non-essential still open with capacity limits
• Restaurants still open for outdoor dining (we only had takeout until late into May)
• Personal services still open with capacity limits (barber shops, nail salons, etc)
• Elective medical procedures and non-essential doctors offices not closed. Dentists open, eye doctors, etc
• Outdoor work like construction not prohibited
• even the social gathering requirements a little more open than the Spring

To me it seems a lot more targeted. They have really focused on indoor activities that we know are a problem and only those that are done without masks and distancing.