Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Like I said, I think we agree that it’s not wise for Disney to expand capacity.

But I’m done with “it’s up to individuals and States.“ That approach and mentality is putting us all at risk. And I’m not willing to let Disney off the hook simply because they put stickers on the ground and plastic dividers on rides. By opening, they are enabling the sort of “individual choice” that is killing people. They’re showing that they will gladly take irresponsible guests’ money even if it puts at-risk people (CMs and even people who don’t go to the parks) at even greater risk.

Indoor dining might be the highest-risk activity at Disney parks, but we don’t know what the risks are of all the activities in the parks. The recommendations for measures to keep us safe as we do essential things (like grocery shopping or essential work) were not designed for leisure activities like riding rides and eating at restaurants and watching cavalcades.

This times 10. It’s embarrassing that it has to be said at this point.

I think is up to Disney to stay open or close, not the state.

You have “experts” that advise the state and you have other “experts” that advise Disney, so it’s expert VS. expert, and while I can’t speak for motivation of the state’s experts, I think we can assume Disney is making the best decision for its most important entity, the shareholder.

We can’t assume Disney would say “stay open at all costs”, because after consulting their experts, it may be in the best interest of the shareholder to close.

Honestly...none of this makes any sense. This is still a public health issue and that means Disney has no basis to override any public health directives. The problem is their are parks in at least one badly run state (the other is debatable...but I can see it)

So when it becomes to covid...the cries for “corporate freedom!” Now devolve towards some light form or “lawlessness”?

That’s clueless.

 

[Patcheslee]

I think “social distancing” in a lot of ways makes sense and always did.

Why do we pack ourselves in sardine cans? What the hell sense did handshakes or adult hugs ever make?

...hopefully “distance means respect” will become more of a thing. Upside

I wish people would do better with the distance thing in general. Not specifically due to Covid, but I'm tired of this whole thing of standing in my personal space and it's partially due to social anxiety I've had for years. Instance on Halloween: standing in what is supposed to be a distanced line in the rain and a guy is close enough to be under my 42" umbrella with me and DD12. I asked him to step back without yelling or cussing and he got angry because he was getting rained on, wanted to "share" and I was being a "paranoid libritard". This was a complete stranger. Stores are just as annoying because people have no issue having their cart almost up my backside waiting to checkout. There is a definite lack of respect and it's IMO just more pronounced and noticeable because more people equate distancing is a COVID thing than just being a decent person.

 

[marni1971]

Probably feeling the same way over in Europe. I wonder who they're blaming over there.

Those who are breaking social distancing rules. And a bit of government mismanagement.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Those who are breaking social distancing rules. And a bit of government mismanagement.

Good luck.

...and of course, that question appears to be fishing for a pro-‘Merican excuse. I hope I’m wrong.

 

[drizgirl]

We’ve dined out twice since February - when this is over I’m going to put some extra effort into supporting local restaurants

That's not how it works. Many of them won't be there for you to support when this is over.

 

[drizgirl]

Good luck.

...and of course, that question appears to be fishing for a pro-‘Merican excuse. I hope I’m wrong.

Just wondering how Trump managed to mangle the response in Europe as well.

Meanwhile, Project Warp Speed is well on its way to making history.

Pfizer, BioNTech say Covid vaccine is more than 90% effective â 'great day for science and humanity'

Dr. Albert Bourla, chairman and CEO of Pfizer, hailed the development as a "great day for science and humanity."

www.cnbc.com

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Just wondering how Trump managed to mangle the response in Europe as well.

Meanwhile, Project Warp Speed is well on its way to making history.

Pfizer, BioNTech say Covid vaccine is more than 90% effective â 'great day for science and humanity'

Dr. Albert Bourla, chairman and CEO of Pfizer, hailed the development as a "great day for science and humanity."

www.cnbc.com

Trump managed to mangle the response here and there’s no valid way to dispute that.

Europe isn’t getting straight A’s...but acting like Europe has the same management situation as the US is completely wrong.

We need to be better than that. Do better and THINK better.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Just wondering how Trump managed to mangle the response in Europe as well.

Meanwhile, Project Warp Speed is well on its way to making history.

Pfizer, BioNTech say Covid vaccine is more than 90% effective â 'great day for science and humanity'

Dr. Albert Bourla, chairman and CEO of Pfizer, hailed the development as a "great day for science and humanity."

www.cnbc.com

The article doesn't mention "Warp Speed" at all.

What do you mean by it making history?

 

[John park hopper]

Trump managed to mangle the response here and there’s no valid way to dispute that.

Europe isn’t getting straight A’s...but acting like Europe has the same management situation as the US is completely wrong.

We need to be better than that. Do better and THINK better.

Sorry to disagree Trump responded it was at the State level the ball was dropped ---simply put the State governors didn't want the Feds dictating policy, that age old State verses Fed jurisdiction.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Sorry to disagree Trump responded it was at the State level the ball was dropped ---simply put the State governors didn't want the Feds dictating policy, that age old State verses Fed jurisdiction.

Yeah, it's so unlike Trump to assert Federal authority in a state where it's not wanted said the governors of Washington and Oregon never.

 

[JoeCamel]

Just wondering how Trump managed to mangle the response in Europe as well.

Meanwhile, Project Warp Speed is well on its way to making history.

Pfizer, BioNTech say Covid vaccine is more than 90% effective â 'great day for science and humanity'

Dr. Albert Bourla, chairman and CEO of Pfizer, hailed the development as a "great day for science and humanity."

www.cnbc.com

The article doesn't mention "Warp Speed" at all.

What do you mean by it making history?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Sorry to disagree Trump responded it was at the State level the ball was dropped ---simply put the State governors didn't want the Feds dictating policy, that age old State verses Fed jurisdiction.

That was a tactic...it’s not only been reported, but it was obvious. Displace the blame, take the credit (if there was any)

The judgement of history is written. It doesn’t need me to defend it and it won’t listen to you if you want to dispute it.

Yeah, it's so unlike Trump to assert Federal authority in a state where it's not wanted said the governors of Washington and Oregon never.

Different day...same falsehoods.

 

[GoofGoof]

Just wondering how Trump managed to mangle the response in Europe as well.

Meanwhile, Project Warp Speed is well on its way to making history.

Pfizer, BioNTech say Covid vaccine is more than 90% effective â 'great day for science and humanity'

Dr. Albert Bourla, chairman and CEO of Pfizer, hailed the development as a "great day for science and humanity."

www.cnbc.com

Warp speed was a good investment for the country. Pfizer really isn’t participating as they produced their vaccine at risk and they have an independent plan to distribute. Moderna will use the warp speed distribution process. Any vaccine that comes out should be free for everyone as the government will be buying the doses.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Someone should tell Pfizer that....

Pfizer and BioNTech Announce an Agreement with U.S. Government for up to 600 Million Doses of mRNA-based Vaccine Candidate Against SARS-CoV-2

Pfizer Inc. (NYSE: PFE) and BioNTech SE (Nasdaq: BNTX) today announced the execution of an agreement with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Serv

www.businesswire.com

NEW YORK & MAINZ, Germany--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Pfizer Inc. (NYSE: PFE) and BioNTech SE (Nasdaq: BNTX) today announced the execution of an agreement with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Defense to meet the U.S. government’s Operation Warp Speed program goal to begin delivering 300 million doses of a vaccine for COVID-19 in 2021. Under the agreement, the U.S. government will receive 100 million doses of BNT162, the COVID-19 vaccine candidate jointly developed by Pfizer and BioNTech, after Pfizer successfully manufactures and obtains approval or emergency use authorization from U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA).​

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The U.S. government will pay the companies $1.95 billion upon the receipt of the first 100 million doses, following FDA authorization or approval. The U.S. government also can acquire up to an additional 500 million doses.​

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Americans will receive the vaccine for free consistent with U.S. government’s commitment for free access for COVID-19 vaccines.​

 

[GoofGoof]

The article doesn't mention "Warp Speed" at all.

What do you mean by it making history?

To be fair, warp speed is making history. At no time in the past has the US or any country dedicated as many resources to a vaccine program. I can give credit where credit is due. The Trump administration badly botched almost everything related to Covid, their commitment to a vaccine was the one bright spot even though Trump himself almost ruined the prospects of a vaccine by denying the science and pushing for a vaccine early to help his re-election plans. Even though Pfizer wasn’t really using warp speed resources for distribution they will still be selling the doses to the government for free distribution.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Sorry to disagree Trump responded it was at the State level the ball was dropped ---simply put the State governors didn't want the Feds dictating policy, that age old State verses Fed jurisdiction.

Trump dropped the ball on messaging. He may have been correct to leave the mandates up to the states, but he was mind-numbingly wrong to then turn around and criticize those states that took action to try to reduce the spread and he was downright irresponsible when he mocked masks and told people not to worry about the virus. Now that mindset is cemented in some people and there's no going back.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Warp speed was a good investment for the country. Pfizer really isn’t participating as they produced their vaccine at risk and they have an independent plan to distribute. Moderna will use the warp speed distribution process. Any vaccine that comes out should be free for everyone as the government will be buying the doses.

Any investment in medical research is productive.

It hopefully will shine light on the reality that the US had not done enough of it. Complacency that is not appropriate.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Trump dropped the ball on messaging. He may have been correct to leave the mandates up to the states, but he was mind-numbingly wrong to then turn around and criticize those states that took action to try to reduce the spread and he was downright irresponsible when he mocked masks and told people not to worry about the virus. Now that mindset is cemented in some people and there's no going back.

He tried to win an election both because of the virus messaging he picked and then despite the messaging...and that was never appropriate.

That’s what this had always been. Bad timing. You’d LIKE to think that if it was another year it wouldn’t be that way...but don’t bet the farm on that either.

It’s about “#1”...always and forever. Anyone who lives like that is a failure by default.

 

[Disstevefan1]

What on earth are you talking about?

Allow me to explain. Another post was comparing contracting COVID to Russian roulette. To me Russian roulette means chance of death.

Typically Russian roulette is played with a six shooter with only one of the chambers having a bullet, thats a 1 in 6 chance of death.

All I was saying that if you get COVID, there is a 99.8 percent survival rate. And while yes individually, it depends on your age and how many other health issues you already have, the overall survival rate is 99.8 percent.

 

[GoofGoof]

Any investment in medical research is productive.

It hopefully will shine light on the reality that the US had not done enough of it. Complacency that is not appropriate.

If we dedicated even a fraction of the money spent on warp speed to vaccine research for other viruses we could probably wipe out a number of things that really mostly impact the third world.

This is a great day for all of us. In a few weeks the Pfizer trial will hit the point where they reach the time threshold for safety (1/2 of participants will have been vaccinated at least 2 months ago) and they will be applying for emergency use authorization. Assuming the safety numbers look good the first people should be getting stuck some time in December. There’s still a great deal of work to be done rolling this out to everyone, but it’s a huge first step and 90% is a big number. Really, really important for the economy and for public health. If you don’t believe me, look at the Dow futures...up 1,500