Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Jrb1979

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The debate is understood about the parties, gatherings (events), bars, restaurants and other crowd creating activities, but, the gatherings at home are a step too far to be monitoring. Talk about personal, invasion of privacy, sanctity of the home etc. As a suggestion to avoid gatherings at home is pretty much it particularly with the holidays looming. Jurisdictions that have the most draconian restrictions are not doing well handling parties and other overt large gatherings as it is.
I disagree. B.C. just mandated residents are banned from visiting each others’ private homes for two weeks. This is too try to slow the rising cases in the province.

I know many are against what you call invasion of privacy but sometimes the only way people listen is by hitting in them in the pocket book.
 

NickMaio

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Yeah, we tried wishing it away....I wish That would have worked ;)

The US response was unbalanced. The mask thing being a good example. The current (soon to be past) administration and specifically POTUS came our strong against masks. That tone is very counterproductive to something you list as one of the many things the US did (or tried to do) to fight Covid. The public health experts asked people to avoid large gatherings especially without masks and distancing but the current administration held rallies in violation of all those things. How do we expect people to follow the rules in their personal lives when that example is set from the top? So I can’t have friends and family at a wedding but it’s ok to gather thousands for a rally. Indoor dining is closed some places but bars with not restrictions are open in others, theme parks, schools, etc... All these things should have had a more National push to have some standardized recommendations. Instead the administration fought science and argued with their own task force.

I hope one of the vaccines pans out. If it does it will take a lot to organize the distribution and it may be right in the middle of the transition between administrations. They should have a joint task force (new and old administrations) to wrk through transition of that responsibility. This is way above some petty political nonsense. I also hope there’s a strong push for people to take the vaccine. It could be a train wreck if Trump decides to rail against the vaccine because he wants to see Biden fail and convinces many people to avoid it. I really hope that doesn’t happen, but it’s a legit fear.
Thank you.
That was kind of what I wanted to also say, but Im too damn tired😄
 

GoofGoof

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I disagree. B.C. just mandated residents are banned from visiting each others’ private homes for two weeks. This is too try to slow the rising cases in the province.

I know many are against what you call invasion of privacy but sometimes the only way people listen is by hitting in them in the pocket book.
I think just having the rule on the books and making It well known is half the battle. The CDC here released some guidelines for holiday gatherings but there needs to be a better PR push to let people know what they should do. Not everyone will follow but I still think most people want to follow recommendations and do what’s right but I know a few people who had no clue there was even a published list of recommendations. Maybe that’s partially “playing dumb” as in out of sight, out of mind, but we all need to do a little better and it would help if there was a consistent message as to what that looks like.
 

Chi84

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I disagree. B.C. just mandated residents are banned from visiting each others’ private homes for two weeks. This is too try to slow the rising cases in the province.

I know many are against what you call invasion of privacy but sometimes the only way people listen is by hitting in them in the pocket book.
How is the government enforcing the ban?
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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When people post things like this post - are they making fun of Trump supporters or Biden supporters? I thought this was a Republican talking point, but in the end, stop with this crap.

Looking forward to tomorrow to find out the task force and further plans. No, he's not going to say he's got a vaccine no one knew about, but hoping to hear plans on manufacturing PPE, managing supply chains, etc.

Anyone who said that...spread it...or believed it for a second is an embarrassed fool (whether they know it or not)

I don’t know what that has to do with a “party”...it’s just a stone, cold, unforgiving fact
 

cjack300zx

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My thoughts and some of this might have already been said or not but in my opinion wearing a mask is drastically underrated and six feet of social distancing is overrated. Six feet or even more than six feet of social distancing only works if add time to the equation. You stand in line at the grocery store, department store, post office or at Disney on a line that is six feet from the a person in front of you. You move to this spot only seconds after the person in front of you vacates this spot and the person before him and the person before him. You are occupying the same space and air as several people before you with only seconds in between each person. This type of social distancing does not make any since to me unless you increase the time between individuals moving forward. Adding time to the equation would never work in today's society as "no one has time for that". That is why wearing a mask is so important during this pandemic. Just my two cents.
 

JoeCamel

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My thoughts and some of this might have already been said or not but in my opinion wearing a mask is drastically underrated and six feet of social distancing is overrated. Six feet or even more than six feet of social distancing only works if add time to the equation. You stand in line at the grocery store, department store, post office or at Disney on a line that is six feet from the a person in front of you. You move to this spot only seconds after the person in front of you vacates this spot and the person before him and the person before him. You are occupying the same space and air as several people before you with only seconds in between each person. This type of social distancing does not make any since to me unless you increase the time between individuals moving forward. Adding time to the equation would never work in today's society as "no one has time for that". That is why wearing a mask is so important during this pandemic. Just my two cents.
So you are saying absent time wearing a mask protects you? I'm pretty sure if virus particles are spewed into the air they don't hang in one spot. Either the backwash of the person moving forward or the HVAC system moving the air they are dispersed. I get your thought but don't think it works that way.

And masks are to keep your slime in not to keeps other people's slime out.
 

GoofGoof

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My thoughts and some of this might have already been said or not but in my opinion wearing a mask is drastically underrated and six feet of social distancing is overrated. Six feet or even more than six feet of social distancing only works if add time to the equation. You stand in line at the grocery store, department store, post office or at Disney on a line that is six feet from the a person in front of you. You move to this spot only seconds after the person in front of you vacates this spot and the person before him and the person before him. You are occupying the same space and air as several people before you with only seconds in between each person. This type of social distancing does not make any since to me unless you increase the time between individuals moving forward. Adding time to the equation would never work in today's society as "no one has time for that". That is why wearing a mask is so important during this pandemic. Just my two cents.
It’s definitely a layered effect. Distancing is good and so are masks and so is hand washing. Doing all of them together adds layers of protection. On the idea of distancing, the 6 foot rule was always a guideline and not an absolute. Depending on the situation you may need to stay further away to be safer (indoor with poor ventilation) and in some cases with very brief contact it may be OK to be closer (outside passing by in a theme park). The CDC also recently updated their definition of close exposure from being within 6 feet of a positive person for 15+ minutes at one time to being within 6 feet of an infected person for periods of time that add up to 15 minutes. Minor change but it was done to say if you have multiple close contacts with a positive person even if none were over 15 mins long you could still be at risk due to the volume of overall exposure. That’s the criteria used to determine who should be tested and/or quarantine. It’s possible to get really unlucky and have an exposure for far less than 15 mins that could lead to infection.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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I think there’s a middle ground between everyone stay home all the time and everything open with no restrictions. It’s a matter of trying to figure out what’s problematic and what’s less of an issue and then using that to guide our actions.

No one ever suggested “everyone stay home!” If there’s a management system in place.

But nonessential stupidity can be temporarily suspended where and IF it’s needed.

Really shouldn’t be any debate now...it’s starting to look very low iq
 

MrMcDuck

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I'm loving that all the Trump supporters now apparently care about Covid and following the guidelines.

See? We can all come together ❤

The pro-Biden fools going out to celebrate in large crowds during this pandemic shows what many of them are really like. Lots of hypocrisy to go around.

[And yes, I voted for Trump, as a protest vote against the system since I appreciate how he’s a disruptive force (as ignorant and self-absorbed of one as he is). I don’t vote for neoliberals or neoconservatives, no matter how “smart” some people think they are. But the old crowd predictably has regained its full power, the war machine continues on, and the USA continues its rightful decline. Happy holidays.]
 

Chi84

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I bet they’re telling their people to do it...and the people will do it.

Cause you know...Canada...

And it’s never been “greater”...for sure
Their people are enforcing it? As in calling the police if their neighbors are getting together with others?

I have no problem with government telling citizens to skip the holiday gatherings this year, but the poster alluded to fines, so I was wondering how this would work in practice.

Maybe just instituting a ban is enough in some countries where people would respect it voluntarily.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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The pro-Biden fools going out to celebrate in large crowds during this pandemic shows what many of them are really like. Lots of hypocrisy to go around.

[And yes, I voted for Trump, as a protest vote against the system since I appreciate how he’s a disruptive force (as ignorant and self-absorbed of one as he is). I don’t vote for neoliberals or neoconservatives, no matter how “smart” some people think they are. But the old crowd predictably has regained its full power, the war machine continues on, and the USA continues its rightful decline. Happy holidays.]

That’s all great...but you still made a bad choice. Happy Kwanzaa

Protest votes don’t qualify if they’re for a documented maniac who is IN POWER and had made everything worse.

But “you do you”
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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Their people are enforcing it? As in calling the police if their neighbors are getting together with others?

I have no problem with government telling citizens to skip the holiday gatherings this year, but the poster alluded to fines, so I was wondering how this would work in practice.

Maybe just instituting a ban is enough in some countries where people would respect it voluntarily.

I doubt much “enforcement” is necessary. Just a hunch.
 

Jrb1979

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I bet they’re telling their people to do it...and the people will do it.

Cause you know...Canada...

And it’s never been “greater”...for sure
You are partially right. They are hoping to use education over fining people. But they have resorted to fining people already. Halloween weekend they fined 3 home owners for having parties. Each were fined $2300. 2 of the parties only had 20 to 25 people at them. Fining people has worked as it has made most people listen.
 

Disstevefan1

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This isn’t about buzz words and memes. There’s nothing “draconian” about doing the right thing. People shouldn’t be getting together at home whether it’s easy to enforce or not and it’s certainly not an excuse to do because it’s hard to enforce and if an attempt is made its a personal invasion of privacy.

With the holidays looming people should seriously consider how they may feel if they pull that trigger and get the loaded chamber instead of the empty click. Most people will be perfectly fine, but some won’t. Those people you see in news stories talking about super-spreader events and family gatherings with multiple people sick and/or dead aren’t crisis actors. They are real people who also thought it would never happen to their family. I don’t know how I could live with myself if I was the cause of something like that and God forbid someone I love dies or is permanently impacted. Definitely not worth the risk for me. Something for everyone to consider.
Let’s all remember, we are playing Russian roulette with a gun that will not fire 99.8 percent of the time even when the live chamber is lines up with the barrel....
 

Kevin_W

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I’m not opposed to Disney having WDW open. I don’t think it’s a good idea for people to be traveling out of state, particularly with cases spiking most places, but that’s up to individuals and states not Disney to regulate. I think the highest risk part of WDW being open is the indoor dining. Walking around the parks and even the hotels seems like less risk to me. There are a lot of other things going on that seem a lot worse.

As far as WDW expanding capacity, I just don’t see how they can do it. We are already seeing long lines and crowds gathering. If they attempt to expand more they lose their ability to keep things safe. I think we’ve seen just about the most they can do right now. We will see.

Cases are going up pretty similarly everywhere in you country, it seems, so I don't feel more in danger going out-of-state than I do at home. And getting there doesn't seem bad (data on air travel is pretty good.)

I agree that indoor dining is probably the riskiest thing at WDW. We ahd a couple meals there last month inside and they were doing far more than local restaurants I've seen around here (or in Wyoming/Idaho, where they pretended the virus didn't exist). At WDW, we couldn't have been closer than 20' to any other table, they thoroughly cleaned everything, and the servers wore both masks and face shields. So while it might still have been the riskiest, they were taking every precaution they could. (And I'd forgotten how wonderful it is to give someone money and in exchange they both bring me food and clean up the dishes afterwards!)
 
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