Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[danlb_2000]

No-one here is saying this.

"There's no point in trying to have a discussion with people who feel this way".

 

[GoofGoof]

Numbers are out - there were 45 new reported deaths.

***Numbers have shifted for the 10/31 results released yesterday. Notice the positive numbers increased by +1706 and the positivity increased +1.45%

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Here are the graphs from yesterday -

Looks like the data reporting is delayed again. 45K tests (even for a Sunday) seems very low. I would expect a bump up maybe tomorrow...unless the motivation is to suppress the numbers through Election Day so people are less afraid to show up to vote in person. Hopefully it’s just an honest mistake or simple issue and the correction comes in tomorrow.

 

[Chi84]

I don't know what Sirwalterraleigh wrote as I ignore him but yeah I'm fine with those willing to take risks going to house parties without masks or social distancing. However those same people should stay away from high risk individuals unless the high risk individual is okay with taking the same risk.

You can't police everyone and you can't force everyone to have your same set of beliefs and values. The young and healthy shouldn't be forced to isolate like those who are high risk. Hell, even high risk people shouldn't be FORCED to isolate. It should be up to the person and then they have to accept any consequences of their behavior.

Thanks for answering. I understand your point - people generally have no issue with telling others what they should do. People are fine with me being forced to wear a mask outside at Disney because they decide “it’s no big deal,” but will tell you in no uncertain terms that it’s unreasonable to expect them not to get together with people from different households during the holidays. Guess which behavior is much riskier than the other.

My concern with indoor gatherings stems from several super-spreader events that took place in my state. People get the virus then go to work or school with others who in turn carry it home to their families, which may include elderly or vulnerable people. Those people did not choose to accept the risk. I don’t have as much faith as some in the ability of masks to effectively stop the spread in a school or workplace where people necessarily have prolonged indoor contact with others. That’s why I would prefer if people avoided the get-togethers at least until a vaccine is developed. I agree there’s no way for the government to mandate that though.

 

[Amused to Death]

If Bruce is being careful, how does he catch it from Joe?

Air conditioning system. Bruce wanted to work at home, but his employer wouldn't let him, so he had to sit downwind from Joe, who likes to sing along to the radio and bark orders into his phone.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

No-one here is saying this.

No one has ever said that here.

Edit-Ever read a post and type back real quick then continue to read the rest of the thread and realize a few people already said the same thing? That’s what I did. Sorry.

 

[Heppenheimer]

No one has ever said that here.

Except for the strawmen that a particular poster continually cites.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I wish there was an eye roll emoji. There's no point in trying to have a discussion with people who feel this way. Let's just lock down for a few years. Then we'll all really be living life.

The typing, touchscreen part of your brain is working...but the “logic processor”, problem solving section needs to go into the shop.

No-one here is saying this.

Never...not once. No one wants to stay home cause it’s “cool”...not once. Check the 40,000 posts on this board about this and find one.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

The typing, touchscreen part of your brain is working...but the “logic processor”, problem solving section needs to go into the shop.



Never...not once. No one wants to stay home cause it’s “cool”...not once. Check the 40,000 posts on this board about this and find one.

I think it’s the old thing when someone is confronted with facts and they have no way to dispute it they fall back on talking points. It’s one of the reasons, in this thread that has been said a million of times, if you claim something, show some proof. Not just hit and run.
We all change our minds I assume when facts are presented to them. At least we should.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Never...not once. No one wants to stay home cause it’s “cool”...not once. Check the 40,000 posts on this board about this and find one.

And those of us who aren’t traveling long distances and aren’t shopping in stores and going out to eat are still “living a life.”

It’s so weird that cooking at home and traveling to parks and outdoor attractions close by is “not living life.” I know people who have never left their home town, they seem happy and content. Not everybody chooses to “live life” the same way.

 

[hopemax]

Am I misreading this data? While the cases are up, the percent positive is (somewhat flat) and the deaths are (somewhat flat). This is good, right?

The delay in reporting in FL, IMO, means that we don't really have a clue where things actually are. In many places around the US, cases started going up about 1-2 weeks after Labor Day. Which makes sense due to people's presumed activities. But in FL, cases didn't start going up until the first week of October. So did FL really not do anything risky on Labor Day, people masked & distanced better, immunity threshold, or do they have a reporting lag? We don't know, but since I don't really trust FL's reporting or people, I think it's reporting lag on whatever the "bad" number is at that point in time.

My whole June spat with another poster was concerning how long it would take for deaths to rise after cases. In general, that seems to be about 6 weeks after cases. But that was at a time when deaths were reported quicker. We know from the concerned data people on Twitter, that FL deaths, were behind more than the 2 weeks the state reports caution data is incomplete (looking around today, over the last week the lag has cleaned up in Broward, Duval, Miami-Dade and Palm Beach which obviously helps a lot). But we still have to consider that in Florida, it might be more like 2 months vs. 6 weeks for deaths to show up in the data So it may not be until mid-November to early December until we see a change in death trends in FL, depending on if you believe cases started spiking after Labor Day, like elsewhere, or not until October.

I've seen a few Twitter comments that FL hospitalizations are rising this week. So as they say, "We shall see."

 

[Tink242424]

The college kids at SUNY-Oneonta celebrated their freedom partying up a storm when students returned to campus in August. 700 tested positive for covid out of a student body of 6.5K. The college president then gave her resignation.

Ok, and how many of them died? In any given year most of the world's population gets some sort of cold or illness and they recover. So if most of the population are recovering from COVID then what is the big deal? These are college kids who are in a group that it is rare for death or serious complications to occur.

 

[Tink242424]

Exhibit A for why the government has to mandate things here as opposed to relying on people to do the right thing.

So the plan should be people can do what they want and take whatever risks they want as long as they follow protocols like masks and social distancing when required. Well we see how well that works out.

We can agree to disagree but the largest point of what I was saying has never been implemented. A clear, consistent message from all leaders on how we need to come together and do what we can to reduce the spread and to protect people of high risk. Without that first step people have nothing to follow.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Ok, and how many of them died? In any given year most of the world's population gets some sort of cold or illness and they recover. So if most of the population are recovering from COVID then what is the big deal? These are college kids who are in a group that it is rare for death or serious complications to occur.

Would you play Russian Roulette? Because that's basically what you're proposing. NO ONE knows how their body is going to react to the virus ahead of time. It's a complete roll of the dice.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

In any given year most of the world's population gets some sort of cold or illness and they recover.

This argument is soooooo page 1000 of this thread.

 

[_caleb]

I wish there was an eye roll emoji. There's no point in trying to have a discussion with people who feel this way. Let's just lock down for a few years. Then we'll all really be living life.

No point? You've posted nearly a thousand times in this thread, and most of it has been what seemed like honest engagement (though we seem to see things from very different perspectives). I'm honestly asking whether you can see how the actions of some place everyone at risk, and you want to roll your eyes at my question?

How is it NOT selfish to advocate (as you have) for easing the restrictions implemented to keep people safe? How can you resist changing your behavior in order to avoid putting others at risk?

Please don't put words in my mouth (keyboard). I've not said we need to "lock down for a few years." This is childish and willful misrepresentation of what I've posted. I'm trying to engage with you on what I see as a fundamental weakness of the argument you've used consistently. You don't appear to have an answer, which may actually be the answer.

 

[DisneyTransport]

This argument is soooooo page 1000 of this thread.

round and around we go! When we'll stop, nobody knows!

 

[marni1971]

This argument is soooooo page 1000 of this thread.

But some people.... you know....

 

[danlb_2000]

Ok, and how many of them died? In any given year most of the world's population gets some sort of cold or illness and they recover. So if most of the population are recovering from COVID then what is the big deal? These are college kids who are in a group that it is rare for death or serious complications to occur.

The big deal is that in developed countries COVID is killing more people then any other infectious disease by a long shot. It should be our goal to work towards a healthier society instead of a sicker one. A large portion of the population being sick benefits no one, except for maybe insurance companies and the pharmaceutical industry.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

And those of us who aren’t traveling long distances and aren’t shopping in stores and going out to eat are still “living a life.”

It’s so weird that cooking at home and traveling to parks and outdoor attractions close by is “not living life.” I know people who have never left their home town, they seem happy and content. Not everybody chooses to “live life” the same way.

I was supposed to check in to art of animation yesterday...and go to beach club villas for 5 days starting Wednesday...

My daughter always asked to stay at AoA and it never worked out prior...

So we’re home...and yet she’s surviving and so am I. Life didn’t end

 

[GoofGoof]

We can agree to disagree but the largest point of what I was saying has never been implemented. A clear, consistent message from all leaders on how we need to come together and do what we can to reduce the spread and to protect people of high risk. Without that first step people have nothing to follow.

I can’t disagree there. I think a consistent message would help a lot and I do believe most people want to do what’s right. It’s not like people are looking to go out and infect other people. There is a lot of conflicting info out there and the politicians peddling conspiracy theories and outright lies doesn‘t help either.

For example, what is the guideline for Thanksgiving get togethers? I have a friend that I talked to about the topic and they said they were still doing Thanksgiving with their whole family and didn’t think it was a big deal because the total number of people would be under 25 so they were within the guidelines for a group gathering. I don’t think it’s any less risk if 24 family members get together indoor with no masks vs 25 and I’ve heard some “experts” suggest not to get together at all but there hasn’t been a consistent message. I don’t believe everyone would follow all the recommendations but it would be a step in the right direction to at least make them and let people decide.