Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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JoeCamel

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Everyone not ABC or NBC news (who admittedly have a conflict of interest) would have a whole lot of incentive for any group willing to come forward.
I agree, though, that I hope they truly are safe. From DME all the way down.
I'm not sure what the point of that would be. Ratings? Nah the pr hit would far outweigh any one day bump from the story. There is no percentage in amplifying any spread from the parks, it won't change anything and it can hurt you and the area's rep and proving it would be trouble. A no upside situation to highlight the parks.
 
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Jwink

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The government can’t enforce a mask mandate; neither can the states.
Yeah… They can. It doesn’t matter if some people think it’s unconstitutional… If it’s a public health threat they are allowed to do whatever they want. There’s several cities around me who have mandatory mask mandates. People tried to sue them and judges sided with the cities because it’s a public health threat.
 

Jwink

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The virus is everywhere...it’s going to be one of those things where you will need a new vaccine every year.

Ive accepted that and I’m ready to move on.

There’s no containing it, and we just have to learn to live with it.
I don’t disagree that that might be what happens… The point is is that we can’t learn to live with it yet because we haven’t learned enough about it. If we just go on acting like this doesn’t exist do you understand how many people will die? Just so that some of us can live normally? It’s not worth it. It’s not worth losing our loved ones and it’s not worth playing Russian roulette to find out if you are one of those percentages people that will have lasting organ damage, a stroke, loss of limb. Don’t forget that Broadway Star Nick who lost his life after three month long battle with coronavirus and he had already lost one of his legs due to a micro stroke. It does not just kill or damage the elderly population. It is leaving lasting life altering damage in its path.
 

Disstevefan1

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This says a lot about how you view the world.

Where are you getting the idea that WDW’s COVID protocols have been “proven to work?” How many people have contracted COVID at the parks/Disney Springs since they reopened?

You say many folks contracted COVID from the parks/Disney Springs . Can you please send me the link to that data. I have not seen that - Thanks.
 

Jwink

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I truly hope Disney CMs are safe! I also hope they feel safe (which, of course, may not be the same thing).

I would imagine, however, that after the huge wave of layoffs, those who remain might be a bit reluctant to make waves about their discomfort with the current working conditions. To say that Disney is invested in staying open would be an understatement.

Notice how little we’ve heard from the unions during the layoffs?

I’m not making any allegations about the spread of COVID at Disney properties, nor am I questioning the effectiveness of their protocols. But lots of people around here continue to call Disney‘s reopening a “success story,” and “model for how to reopen safely.” But the truth is we simply don’t know how many guests (Zero? Thousands?) may have been exposed or infected on Disney property.
I’ll say this- we are a cast member family. When they reopened (my husband was called back before they even reopened) we did not feel safe. He wears a mask and a shield. Cases were over 10K a day and we were extremely worried. He works behind the scenes so not exposed to as many folks but still enters the park from time to time.
As time has gone by and we’ve seen that Disney is actually enforcing the protocols like they said they would- and they have remained diligent with masks and such, he feels a lot safer. The new stuff that has come out that it’s airborne if you’re in proximity to a positive person for 15+ min has us concerned because they don’t have the proper PPE... but he’s keeping his distance.

Right when he went back to work they had him riding in vehicles with other cast members. I expressed I did not feel comfortable with that and he brought it up to his manager who hadn’t even thought of it, and now there is a one man vehicle protocol. They also were not doing temp checks for cast members at the beginning which it got to a point i was going to tell him to take it to HR, but they finally set that up too.

I feel safer with him being there than at the grocery store for now.
 

_caleb

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You say many folks contracted COVID from the parks/Disney Springs . Can you please send me the link to that data. I have not seen that - Thanks.
What? No, I didn’t say “many folks contracted COVID from the parks/Disney Springs. I said:
Where are you getting the idea that WDW’s COVID protocols have been “proven to work?” How many people have contracted COVID at the parks/Disney Springs since they reopened?
You can see the difference, can’t you? I asked how many people have contracted COVID at the parks/Disney Springs, and you deliberately misrepresented my question as a statement. That‘s not nice.

While we’re asking for source links, can you link to a source that provides the number of people who have been exposed or infected on Disney property?
 

disdonald

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I truly hope Disney CMs are safe! I also hope they feel safe (which, of course, may not be the same thing).

I would imagine, however, that after the huge wave of layoffs, those who remain might be a bit reluctant to make waves about their discomfort with the current working conditions. To say that Disney is invested in staying open would be an understatement.

Notice how little we’ve heard from the unions during the layoffs?

I’m not making any allegations about the spread of COVID at Disney properties, nor am I questioning the effectiveness of their protocols. But lots of people around here continue to call Disney‘s reopening a “success story,” and “model for how to reopen safely.” But the truth is we simply don’t know how many guests (Zero? Thousands?) may have been exposed or infected on Disney property.
You say your are not making allegations, but yet you doubt what disney is saying. Is that not an allegation that you doubt disney is being accurate?

Not sure what you want from Disney. In other words, if Disney says no outbreaks, it seems you do not believe them.
I am not sure if Disney is telling the truth or not., but proving it happened on disney property could be difficult. If a cast member tests positive, could they have gotten it outside the disney bubble. Is that a disney issue if they went to a party and got positive and not on disney property?
 

_caleb

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You say your are not making allegations, but yet you doubt what disney is saying. Is that not an allegation that you doubt disney is being accurate?

Not sure what you want from Disney. In other words, if Disney says no outbreaks, it seems you do not believe them.
I am not sure if Disney is telling the truth or not., but proving it happened on disney property could be difficult. If a cast member tests positive, could they have gotten it outside the disney bubble. Is that a disney issue if they went to a party and got positive and not on disney property?
What has Disney said about the number of people (guests or CMs) who have been exposed or infected to coronavirus at the parks or Disney Springs?
 

sullyinMT

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You say your are not making allegations, but yet you doubt what disney is saying. Is that not an allegation that you doubt disney is being accurate?

Not sure what you want from Disney. In other words, if Disney says no outbreaks, it seems you do not believe them.
I am not sure if Disney is telling the truth or not., but proving it happened on disney property could be difficult. If a cast member tests positive, could they have gotten it outside the disney bubble. Is that a disney issue if they went to a party and got positive and not on disney property?
One yes. Two or three, deniable plausibility. However, if a number of (picking at random) HM CMs from the same shift on a Monday afternoon we’re all positive one Monday later, that’s where it could be reasonably surmised that their workplace was compromised. Or a bunch of servers and kitchen staff at Garden Grill. I guess they could be going to parties and bars after work, but tracing back to one day’s shift work and staff would be fishy, to say the least.
I don’t think @_caleb is unreasonable for asking. I also stand by my assertion that someone outside of the media outlets in the Orlando area and the national media with direct ties to Uni or Disney would have a field day. At the very least a click hungry Twitter activist that is historically anti-theme park even before this hit.
 

DVCakaCarlF

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Okay, but you just said restrictions should be limited to "at risk" populations, and I asked how that could be done. Are you now saying there should be no restrictions because nothing will work?
I’m saying the right to choose is mine alone...don’t tell me what I can and can’t do. I’m offering a compromise by saying if there must be restrictions, limit it to those at risk.
 

sullyinMT

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I’ll say this- we are a cast member family. When they reopened (my husband was called back before they even reopened) we did not feel safe. He wears a mask and a shield. Cases were over 10K a day and we were extremely worried. He works behind the scenes so not exposed to as many folks but still enters the park from time to time.
As time has gone by and we’ve seen that Disney is actually enforcing the protocols like they said they would- and they have remained diligent with masks and such, he feels a lot safer. The new stuff that has come out that it’s airborne if you’re in proximity to a positive person for 15+ min has us concerned because they don’t have the proper PPE... but he’s keeping his distance.

Right when he went back to work they had him riding in vehicles with other cast members. I expressed I did not feel comfortable with that and he brought it up to his manager who hadn’t even thought of it, and now there is a one man vehicle protocol. They also were not doing temp checks for cast members at the beginning which it got to a point i was going to tell him to take it to HR, but they finally set that up too.

I feel safer with him being there than at the grocery store for now.
This first hand account is good to hear. It’s also nice to hear they’ve adapted when CMs have proposed concern or opportunities for improvement.
Continued prayers for your family’s safety and health.
 

DVCakaCarlF

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For "at risk" what is living with it though? I haven't gotten to hug my step-dad since January. A monthly visit is my mom bringing him over and him sitting in the car window cracked and everyone masked for a few minutes of conversation with DD12. He doesn't even get to go to the store and hasn't been allowed to work.
And how would restrictions on at risk population help? Even nursing homes are having outbreaks, some of the places with what is supposed to be strictest restrictions, yet still cases climbing in them again. It's not like the residents are going out in public and bringing it back.
I can appreciate what you are saying, but it has nothing to do with my point. If anything, it enforces it.
 

DVCakaCarlF

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I don’t disagree that that might be what happens… The point is is that we can’t learn to live with it yet because we haven’t learned enough about it. If we just go on acting like this doesn’t exist do you understand how many people will die? Just so that some of us can live normally? It’s not worth it. It’s not worth losing our loved ones and it’s not worth playing Russian roulette to find out if you are one of those percentages people that will have lasting organ damage, a stroke, loss of limb. Don’t forget that Broadway Star Nick who lost his life after three month long battle with coronavirus and he had already lost one of his legs due to a micro stroke. It does not just kill or damage the elderly population. It is leaving lasting life altering damage in its path.
Again, I can appreciate what you are saying, but, at this point, even with the high case numbers (which are data dumps before the election), the mortality rate is 1% or less.
 

GoofGoof

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What has Disney said about the number of people (guests or CMs) who have been exposed or infected to coronavirus at the parks or Disney Springs?
Disney has never commented one way or the other and I wouldn’t expect them to. There have obviously been people infected at WDW (it’s just about statistically impossible it didn’t happen) and there are known cases of CMs testing positive but Disney has no reason to go out and publicly talk about that. What I think most people are referring to are large outbreaks. If a large number of CMs working directly together and/or guests known to be together (hotel, meals, other activities) were infected and the link could be made I think it would have made the news or definitely made it to social media. We did here some rumblings of outbreaks among staff at both Disney and Universal but there’s no guarantee those cases came from co-workers. There is no way to tell if those people got infected at work or on their personal time.

It would be near impossible to pinpoint WDW as the place someone got infected and it would be irresponsible for a department of health or media outlet to draw that conclusion so I don’t think we will hear about it. Being realistic, it’s an infectious disease and pixie dust isn’t known to stop it, so it’s a good bet some people have been infected at WDW.
 

disdonald

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What has Disney said about the number of people (guests or CMs) who have been exposed or infected to coronavirus at the parks or Disney Springs?
How can Disney prove that the guests or CMs contracted anything at the parks?
There are too many variables and I think it may be nearly impossible. Also, I am not sure with contact tracing that people are completely honest.
If someone says they had it while at the parks, they could have been infected prior to coming to the parks or maybe they went offsite for groceries or gas or something else.
If a CM gets tested positive, they could have easily received it outside the parks. Could a CM have gotten it within the park, sure, I will not dispute that, but there is also just as good of a chance they got it outside the park.

I do not know how one can pinpoint that disney is responsible for the positive.

If there was a specific special event and no one wore a mask, then yes, that could be something that disney could be directly responsible for.
 

GoofGoof

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I’m saying the right to choose is mine alone...don’t tell me what I can and can’t do. I’m offering a compromise by saying if there must be restrictions, limit it to those at risk.
Nope. Not not how it works. Just like second hand smoke you don’t have the right to indirectly harm someone else’s health even if that restricts your right to do whatever you want. You may want to smoke a cigarette whenever you want but you can’t do it most places indoors anymore. They didn’t agree to a compromise where you can smoke and anyone who doesn’t want to inhale your second hand smoke can just stay home.
 

GoofGoof

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How can Disney prove that the guests or CMs contracted anything at the parks?
There are too many variables and I think it may be nearly impossible. Also, I am not sure with contact tracing that people are completely honest.
If someone says they had it while at the parks, they could have been infected prior to coming to the parks or maybe they went offsite for groceries or gas or something else.
If a CM gets tested positive, they could have easily received it outside the parks. Could a CM have gotten it within the park, sure, I will not dispute that, but there is also just as good of a chance they got it outside the park.

I do not know how one can pinpoint that disney is responsible for the positive.

If there was a specific special event and no one wore a mask, then yes, that could be something that disney could be directly responsible for.
With Disney the only way they could definitely say someone got it there would be if they stayed a pretty long time. So if I check in and stay 14 days and get sick on my 15th day I can say I know I got sick there. This assumes you stay on property and don’t leave to eat, go to Universal or Sea World or anything like that. Since our friends from across the pond aren’t allowed back yet very few people are taking 2 week plus trips to WDW. It’s not going to be a large sample size to look at.
 
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