Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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_caleb

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Disstevefan1 said:
DLR is closed is closed for no reason except for politics.
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This says a lot about how you view the world.
GimpYancIent said:
Disney would make money plus the nation would have one set of standards proven to work. Just a thought.
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Where are you getting the idea that WDW’s COVID protocols have been “proven to work?” How many people have contracted COVID at the parks/Disney Springs since they reopened?
 
JoeCamel

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_caleb said:
This says a lot about how you view the world.

Where are you getting the idea that WDW’s COVID protocols have been “proven to work?” How many people have contracted COVID at the parks/Disney Springs since they reopened?
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Don't know, there is no test and trace. 123K tests reported on a Sunday tho..... Good percentage so maybe that is the sweet spot for testing but still no one looking for contacts of positives in any meaningful way. Til that happens we don't know where the cases originate.
 
GoofGoof

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JoeCamel said:
Don't know, there is no test and trace. 123K tests reported on a Sunday tho..... Good percentage so maybe that is the sweet spot for testing but still no one looking for contacts of positives in any meaningful way. Til that happens we don't know where the cases originate.
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Only 40,000 the day before. I‘d say there‘s a pretty good chance that there was a reporting issue and if you net the 2 days together it’s around 80K a day which is more in line with averages.

I don’t disagree on the tracing. At one point they were not even trying to trace cases at large venues like theme parks. Not sure if that has changed.
 
sullyinMT

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_caleb said:
This says a lot about how you view the world.

Where are you getting the idea that WDW’s COVID protocols have been “proven to work?” How many people have contracted COVID at the parks/Disney Springs since they reopened?
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Your point is well taken that we don’t know exactly how many cases have arisen from WDW specifically. Especially if guests get sick, drive home, and don’t comply with contact tracers. I can only assume that the CM unions and employee groups would be raising holy heck about unsafe working conditions, which is why I largely “trust” their protocols. Orange Co, FL, has seen an uptick but only proportional to the rest of the state. Disney is only so powerful to control the narrative.
 
_caleb

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sullivan.kscott said:
Your point is well taken that we don’t know exactly how many cases have arisen from WDW specifically. Especially if guests get sick, drive home, and don’t comply with contact tracers. I can only assume that the CM unions and employee groups would be raising holy heck about unsafe working conditions. Disney is only so powerful to control the narrative.
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I’d agree, except that CMs are represented by several different unions, and each of them are only notified about positive tests results among their own members.

In other words, the unions might raise holy heck, but none of them have the complete picture of how safe/unsafe the working conditions may be.
 
sullyinMT

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_caleb said:
I’d agree, except that CMs are represented by several different unions, and each of them are only notified about positive tests results among their own members.

In other words, the unions might raise holy heck, but none of them have the complete picture of how safe/unsafe the working conditions may be.
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Fair, again. Still, if there was a large outbreak among, say, F&B or attractions staff, it might be enough for their respective local to become vocal, or reach out to other union heads first and compare general stats.
I might be burying my head in the sand, but it’s kind of the same thing as airline staff being largely safe during this time. Individual cases, of course. I’m not fully playing ostrich. I just think we’d hear about it being a major problem.
 
SourcererMark79

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sullivan.kscott said:
Fair, again. Still, if there was a large outbreak among, say, F&B or attractions staff, it might be enough for their respective local to become vocal, or reach out to other union heads first and compare general stats.
I might be burying my head in the sand, but it’s kind of the same thing as airline staff being largely safe during this time. Individual cases, of course. I’m not fully playing ostrich. I just think we’d hear about it being a major problem.
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If there was evidence of it, I think it would have been made public.
 
_caleb

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sullivan.kscott said:
Fair, again. Still, if there was a large outbreak among, say, F&B or attractions staff, it might be enough for their respective local to become vocal, or reach out to other union heads first and compare general stats.
I might be burying my head in the sand, but it’s kind of the same thing as airline staff being largely safe during this time. Individual cases, of course. I’m not fully playing ostrich. I just think we’d hear about it being a major problem.
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I truly hope Disney CMs are safe! I also hope they feel safe (which, of course, may not be the same thing).

I would imagine, however, that after the huge wave of layoffs, those who remain might be a bit reluctant to make waves about their discomfort with the current working conditions. To say that Disney is invested in staying open would be an understatement.

Notice how little we’ve heard from the unions during the layoffs?

I’m not making any allegations about the spread of COVID at Disney properties, nor am I questioning the effectiveness of their protocols. But lots of people around here continue to call Disney‘s reopening a “success story,” and “model for how to reopen safely.” But the truth is we simply don’t know how many guests (Zero? Thousands?) may have been exposed or infected on Disney property.
 
SourcererMark79

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lazyboy97o said:
This is a line that has very disappointingly been adopted by the amusement industry. It’s been decided that a lack of evidence is evidence.
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Not just the amusement industry, this is everywhere. This mentality like "If I'm not sick, and I don't have any friends that are sick, there is no reason to wear a mask or keep a distance away" is certainly contributing to the persistence of this.
 
_caleb

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SourcererMark79 said:
If there was evidence of it, I think it would have been made public.
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By whom? Disney (who doesn’t want anyone to know those numbers)? CMs (who are just happy to have jobs)? The unions (who aren’t notified of total numbers)? Guests (who by going to the parks during a pandemic prove that they’re willing to engage in more risky behavior in other aspects of their lives)?
 
SourcererMark79

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_caleb said:
By whom? Disney, who doesn’t want anyone to know those numbers? CMs, who are just happy to have jobs? The unions, who aren’t notified of total numbers? Guests, who by going to the parks during a pandemic prove that they’re willing to engage in more risky behavior in other aspects of their lives?
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CMs and guests are two very different groups. I don't see how anyone can effectively trace guest cases. My employer has publicly disclosed case numbers about nine different ways since May. I would hope that the CMs who need to know are being informed.
 
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