Yes, they do all that. That's why I didn't say mask requirements should be limited or abandoned right now. But when you say masks should be worn by everyone age 2 and above to infinity, it implies an ongoing need for masks in the future that I don't believe will exist. Right now: wear masks; in the future: wait and see. That's all I'm saying.
Brazil isn’t doing anything right. However the places that were driving their cases might have actually reached the hallowed level of “herd immunity.” The serology surveys from those areas are 40+% They did their first wave the “natural” way and that’s how it looked in terms of length and severity.
You made me go back and check when things did open and percentages of what was allowed. Although as you said, things did open up in June but with heavy restrictions, also no bars or restaurants. Then in middle of July restaurants were allowed to open at 25% as long as they had 2 open walls, also outdoor dining opened. It stayed that way until August 31st when when the measures were relaxed more with bars and restaurants increasing their capacity. Then Labor Day hit. So from your graph it looks like the holiday along with eateries and bars opening more started the spike again.
The restriction in the US varied greatly from state to state. I wouldn't say that Europe was more open than the US. Many states had no restrictions to very few.......then there's states like California,
Just wait four months?
I’m not even talking cases or deaths, just pure economics. The majority of Europe was far more open this summer than almost all of the US. Remember even FL had months of bars closed and other restrictions. Many other states as well. If we look at the extreme example of New Zealand they had their entire economy open, no capacity limits, pro sports with fans in the stands (remember the cardboard heads at the MLB games here) and many more people were out and about because cases were down. Same can be said for S Korea. The virus isn’t going to magically go away, but learning to live with it doesn’t have to mean remove restrictions and let it go, it can mean reduce it to a level where more of the economy can be open and functioning better. Other countries have proven that approach worked.
You are really going to compare New Zealand to the US? A country with a population under 5 million.
He said extreme example. I think everyone here knows what the intent of that comparison was. Ok, maybe not everyone.
Lockdowns were necessary to get spread under control. TARGETED business closures and capacity reductions are now necessary to prevent huge rises in case numbers.
You anti-lockdown people seem to keep forgetting that when cases go up, we have to step back and work to slow the spread again. Just because we slowed the spread once doesn't mean we won't be in that situation again if everyone doesn't get their act together.
Just ask Jerry Jones!
Well, guess what. That's how a pandemic needs to be addressed. We don't get a choice. We can work together, or we can let the pandemic decimate us.
No, history shows the opposite. The whole concept of keeping sick people or even just other people who may or may not be sick away was figured out centuries ago.
Except the idea also included isolating people of unknown health.
Not anymore, and if there is a silver lining to this thing its that more people will stay home when feeling sick than they used to. Every December, my office floor would get sick, at least 20 of the 35 would catch something, because they wouldn't stay home.
People stand by to replace families being kicked out of the parks because they can't get their 2-year-old to wear a mask? That must really make people feel safe about Disney enforcing its rules. I wonder why that isn't part of the commercial?
Because we all remember what halted the black plaque in London, and it wasn't letting the pandemic run its course.