Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[willtravel]

I'm just very curious as to what a certain group of people will do when the virus is still thriving after Nov 4.

Wear my mask, social distance, wash my hands, and go on vacations.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

COVID isn't going to end and even with masks/social distancing you will still see spread. We have to learn to live with this disease for the rest of humanity. Even with a vaccine people will get COVID and some of them will die. That is life.

That’s AFTER you do the best you can to limit it.

After...it hasn’t even been tried with much seriousness here.

I’m starting to agree with Parker...doubling down on wrong is still wrong. The last person talking isn’t correct by default. They tend to be the fool.

 

[Polkadotdress]

I don't have a problem with limiting capacity and while I don't love masks that would be fine to. I have a problem with governors who wouldn't let stores, restaurants or gyms open at all. We knew that there would be restrictions and people were fine with them but keeping things closed when restrictions could be implemented I have issue with.

So again my statement stands that if the media would present the facts (what is known and what isn't) so that people could make informed decisions I think you would see a majority of people do the right thing.

This wishy washy back and forth on the science and then introducing politics and the biased media didn't help anything. It just led to more confusion and fear than was necessary.

This just out, that the weekly task force report has been withheld by our FL governor. And, after getting a legal ruling to have the most recent (early OCT) report released, we now see that the Task Force is concerned about the uptick in FL.

So...this would be a clear example of those "in charge" repressing pertinent info from the public AND making decisions that directly conflict with what the "science says".

As White House task force warns Florida of possible COVID-19 uptick, state tries to keep report from public

The White House Coronavirus Task Force report, sent to states every week, summarizes case and testing trends but also shares a series of recommendations to the governors to mitigate the spread of the virus. Florida is among more than a dozen states to not make the report public or easily obtainable.

www.orlandosentinel.com

 

[Polkadotdress]

For those who can't access the article, here it is in it's entirety:

There are “early warning signs” that COVID-19 cases are ticking up in Florida – in the Villages and several counties, including Brevard – and the state should be closely tracking the data and reacting with “increased mitigation” in those areas, according to a little-known report that the White House Coronavirus Task Force sends Florida each week.
“Testing must increase statewide," the report recommends.

For nearly five months now, the task force, which was formed earlier this year and is chaired by Vice President Mike Pence, has been sending a detailed COVID-19 report to all state governors, providing county and state-level trends and a series of recommendations. But Florida is among more than a dozen states to withhold those reports from the public.

On Oct. 16, after the Orlando Sentinel asked Gov. Ron DeSantis' office for the latest task force report, it took getting the Sentinel’s lawyers involved and five work days before the state released its Oct. 11 Task Force report on Thursday.
The report covers the week of Oct. 5 and it’s not clear if the document is the latest available report sent to DeSantis' office. It’s also not clear whether DeSantis has followed through with the report’s recommendations, how he incorporates the report into his pandemic strategy or how widely it is distributed among counties, cities and other institutions.

After looking at the report, Dr. Mary Jo Trepka, professor and chair of Department of Epidemiology at Florida International University, said that none of the data points in the report are surprising.

“What is here that we don’t normally have access to is the expert guidance from the federal government,” said Trepka. “These are all very good recommendations, and I think that the public has a right to know what our federal government is recommending for the state and know how we’re doing in terms of following these recommendations and if we’re not following them, then is there a justification for that?"

State Rep. Anna Eskamani, D-Orlando, said although she had heard about the reports, she didn’t realize that they were being released weekly.

“It’s not like the governor references it at all during any type of press conference or regular presentation, and I’m sure it was intentionally kept in the dark because the governor is making decisions based on this own political preference and not based on any type of data or science,” she said.

The Oct. 11 report highlighted a continuing spread of the virus in Florida through social gatherings.
"People must remember that seemingly uninfected members and friends may be infected but asymptomatic,” the report says. “Encourage outdoor activities and ensure mask and physical distancing messages for all residents, both in public and private spaces.”

Some of report’s recommendations are echoed by Orange County Mayor Jerry Demings and Dr. Raul Pino, the state’s health officer in Orange.

The Sentinel sent several questions to DeSantis' office about the report on Friday but had not heard back at the time of the article’s publication.

Pino on Thursday said 30 people went to a birthday party in Avalon Park and half later tested positive for COVID-19. That news came just one day after the school district said the east Orange neighborhood’s high school, Timber Creek, would close for two weeks following cases found on the campus.

The task force report also recommends the use of antigen testing for people who are at a higher risk of catching the virus, including K-12 teachers, staff working at nursing homes and assisted living facilities, prison staff and first responders.

The state is receiving more than 6 million rapid antigen tests – about 400,000 a week -- and the state-run testing sites such as the one at the Orange County Convention Center are already using them, also distributed to assisted living facilities and schools.

And it recommends routine testing of college students.

“Increase percent of students screened each week to 20% if test positivity of asymptomatic students is greater than 10%,” the report recommends. “Ensure university students continue their mitigation behaviors to ensure no further outbreaks on or off campus.”

The state must report all positive antigen tests and the total number of antigen tests performed, according to the report. Florida currently lumps together PCR and antigen testing results, and it’s not clear if the task force wants the state to report those numbers separately.

The report also provides a summary of cases, test positivity and deaths:

• When it comes to classifying the status of the state and its counties, the report uses five colors: dark green, light green, yellow, orange and red, indicating the rate of increase in cases and test positivity. As of Oct. 11, Florida was in the orange zone for cases and in the green zone for test positivity.
• As of Oct. 11, Florida ranked 31st in the nation for new cases per 100,000 people and 28th for test positivity.
• The state ranked sixth in the nation for new deaths per 100,000. State officials have begun to cast doubt on the accuracy of COVID death numbers, ordering an investigation of all COVID deaths.
• As of Oct. 11, Miami-Dade, Broward and Hillsborough counties had the highest number of new cases over the last three weeks, accounting for nearly 30% of new cases in Florida. Orange County ranked fourth.
• As of Oct. 11, six counties -- Baker, Hardee, Union, Taylor, Glades and Franklin -- were in the red zone. Columbia, Hendry and Hamilton counties were in the orange zone. And 26 counties, including Orange, Polk and Osceola were in the yellow zone.
• Between Oct. 3 and Oct. 9, on average 669 patients with confirmed or suspected COVID-19 were admitted each day to hospitals in Florida. More than 95% of hospitals reported new confirmed or suspected COVID patients each day during this time.
• More than half of all counties in Florida have moderate or high levels of community transmission.

Eskamani urged DeSantis to make the weekly report “readily available for every county official and every member of the public.”
“This information should be accessible so we can all benefit from the same amount of information and make decisions based on the best medical advice and not political rhetoric,” she said.

 

[GoofGoof]

For those who can't access the article, here it is in it's entirety:

There are “early warning signs” that COVID-19 cases are ticking up in Florida – in the Villages and several counties, including Brevard – and the state should be closely tracking the data and reacting with “increased mitigation” in those areas, according to a little-known report that the White House Coronavirus Task Force sends Florida each week.
“Testing must increase statewide," the report recommends.

For nearly five months now, the task force, which was formed earlier this year and is chaired by Vice President Mike Pence, has been sending a detailed COVID-19 report to all state governors, providing county and state-level trends and a series of recommendations. But Florida is among more than a dozen states to withhold those reports from the public.

On Oct. 16, after the Orlando Sentinel asked Gov. Ron DeSantis' office for the latest task force report, it took getting the Sentinel’s lawyers involved and five work days before the state released its Oct. 11 Task Force report on Thursday.
The report covers the week of Oct. 5 and it’s not clear if the document is the latest available report sent to DeSantis' office. It’s also not clear whether DeSantis has followed through with the report’s recommendations, how he incorporates the report into his pandemic strategy or how widely it is distributed among counties, cities and other institutions.

After looking at the report, Dr. Mary Jo Trepka, professor and chair of Department of Epidemiology at Florida International University, said that none of the data points in the report are surprising.

“What is here that we don’t normally have access to is the expert guidance from the federal government,” said Trepka. “These are all very good recommendations, and I think that the public has a right to know what our federal government is recommending for the state and know how we’re doing in terms of following these recommendations and if we’re not following them, then is there a justification for that?"

State Rep. Anna Eskamani, D-Orlando, said although she had heard about the reports, she didn’t realize that they were being released weekly.

“It’s not like the governor references it at all during any type of press conference or regular presentation, and I’m sure it was intentionally kept in the dark because the governor is making decisions based on this own political preference and not based on any type of data or science,” she said.

The Oct. 11 report highlighted a continuing spread of the virus in Florida through social gatherings.
"People must remember that seemingly uninfected members and friends may be infected but asymptomatic,” the report says. “Encourage outdoor activities and ensure mask and physical distancing messages for all residents, both in public and private spaces.”

Some of report’s recommendations are echoed by Orange County Mayor Jerry Demings and Dr. Raul Pino, the state’s health officer in Orange.

The Sentinel sent several questions to DeSantis' office about the report on Friday but had not heard back at the time of the article’s publication.

Pino on Thursday said 30 people went to a birthday party in Avalon Park and half later tested positive for COVID-19. That news came just one day after the school district said the east Orange neighborhood’s high school, Timber Creek, would close for two weeks following cases found on the campus.

The task force report also recommends the use of antigen testing for people who are at a higher risk of catching the virus, including K-12 teachers, staff working at nursing homes and assisted living facilities, prison staff and first responders.

The state is receiving more than 6 million rapid antigen tests – about 400,000 a week -- and the state-run testing sites such as the one at the Orange County Convention Center are already using them, also distributed to assisted living facilities and schools.

And it recommends routine testing of college students.

“Increase percent of students screened each week to 20% if test positivity of asymptomatic students is greater than 10%,” the report recommends. “Ensure university students continue their mitigation behaviors to ensure no further outbreaks on or off campus.”

The state must report all positive antigen tests and the total number of antigen tests performed, according to the report. Florida currently lumps together PCR and antigen testing results, and it’s not clear if the task force wants the state to report those numbers separately.

The report also provides a summary of cases, test positivity and deaths:

• When it comes to classifying the status of the state and its counties, the report uses five colors: dark green, light green, yellow, orange and red, indicating the rate of increase in cases and test positivity. As of Oct. 11, Florida was in the orange zone for cases and in the green zone for test positivity.
• As of Oct. 11, Florida ranked 31st in the nation for new cases per 100,000 people and 28th for test positivity.
• The state ranked sixth in the nation for new deaths per 100,000. State officials have begun to cast doubt on the accuracy of COVID death numbers, ordering an investigation of all COVID deaths.
• As of Oct. 11, Miami-Dade, Broward and Hillsborough counties had the highest number of new cases over the last three weeks, accounting for nearly 30% of new cases in Florida. Orange County ranked fourth.
• As of Oct. 11, six counties -- Baker, Hardee, Union, Taylor, Glades and Franklin -- were in the red zone. Columbia, Hendry and Hamilton counties were in the orange zone. And 26 counties, including Orange, Polk and Osceola were in the yellow zone.
• Between Oct. 3 and Oct. 9, on average 669 patients with confirmed or suspected COVID-19 were admitted each day to hospitals in Florida. More than 95% of hospitals reported new confirmed or suspected COVID patients each day during this time.
• More than half of all counties in Florida have moderate or high levels of community transmission.

Eskamani urged DeSantis to make the weekly report “readily available for every county official and every member of the public.”
“This information should be accessible so we can all benefit from the same amount of information and make decisions based on the best medical advice and not political rhetoric,” she said.

An uptick of cases in the Villages....hmmmmm.....I wonder if there was some sort of event there where many people showed up with no real attempt at distancing and very few masks.

 

[JoeCamel]

An uptick of cases in the Villages....hmmmmm.....I wonder if there was some sort of event there where many people showed up with no real attempt at distancing and very few masks.

Multiple events......

However I am in one of the red counties with the bulk of new cases and it is not near the Villages.
Just wear the mask and distance people!

 

[The Mom]

Even with a total lockdown it would take longer then two weeks. A single person would probably become non-infectious in 2 weeks, but it could still be passed from one person to the next within a single household thus keeping the virus active for more then 2 weeks.

2 weeks, 3 weeks, 4 weeks. It would still have to be a total lock down - which US citizens would not tolerate.

 

[GoofGoof]

Right and in the beginning the science said masks don't work. Then they changed their mind without adequate data explaining why so you had a lot of push back when it didn't seem to make sense. So if they came out in the beginning and said we don't know if they work so wear one or not and we will get back to you and then followed up with yes, it seems they work then people would have understood. So again my statement stands that if the media would present the facts (what is known and what isn't) so that people could make informed decisions I think you would see a majority of people do the right thing.

This wishy washy back and forth on the science and then introducing politics and the biased media didn't help anything. It just led to more confusion and fear than was necessary.

It’s very simple. Wear a mask. Ignore anything you heard before this and from this point forward, wear a mask because it helps. Put your personal beliefs aside and wear a mask because it allows us to open more businesses and protects the workers who are there to provide a service to us. If only leaders at every level of our government had just made this statement across the board way less people would have felt the need to resist and we actually probably wouldn’t need mask mandates. Instead it was turned into some political goat rodeo. It’s too bad.

 

[The Mom]

It would have taken a lot longer than two weeks. Asymptomatic people would have gone into lockdown with as yet uninfected members of their households. Plus, there are outliers with longer incubation periods. Also, when you say "total" lockdown, it would have had to been complete and total lockdown. No "essential" businesses. No first responder interactions. You'd have to isolate everybody in the world from each other for probably two months.

Anything short of that and you will always get flare ups again. There is no way to eradicate this virus without herd immunity, whether that immunity comes from natural spread or an effective vaccine taken by a large enough percentage of the population.

That is exactly what I meant - and is the reason why it could not be done. And, as you say, if it had been done there was still no guarantee that it would have worked.

 

[The Mom]

Someone last night told me the virus would soon be gone...but he’s said that before and was wrong

The virus will be gone - eventually. It could be a couple of years - even with a vaccine. But, it will be reduced to a level where our children (or grandchildren) will not be at all concerned. My Grandmother survived the pandemic of 1918. It was not something that I even thought about - and there wasn't even much concern among the general populace during subsequent pandemics - until this one.

So yes, it will fade away - but not right away.

 

[The Mom]

An uptick of cases in the Villages....hmmmmm.....I wonder if there was some sort of event there where many people showed up with no real attempt at distancing and very few masks.

It's The Villages - they have one (if not the) highest rate of sexually transmitted diseases in the state.

 

[ElvisMickey]

It's The Villages - they have one (if not the) highest rate of sexually transmitted diseases in the state.

Which is disgusting considering who lives in the Villages

 

[Polkadotdress]

An uptick of cases in the Villages....hmmmmm.....I wonder if there was some sort of event there where many people showed up with no real attempt at distancing and very few masks.

And there seems to be one of those events in the Villages today!

 

[The Mom]

Which is disgusting considering who lives in the Villages

You may not want to believe it, but people over 65 still enjoy sex. And, thanks to Viagra,(and a similar drug for women) there is no reason that they have to deprive themselves. I just wish they would realize that pregnancy is not the only byproduct of unprotected sex.

Just like in the song:
"Surf City" is a song written by Brian Wilson and Jan Berry about a fictitious surf spot where there are "two girls for every boy." It was first recorded and made popular by the American duo Jan and Dean in 1963, and their single became the first surf song to become a national number-one hit

 

[JoeCamel]

Which is disgusting considering who lives in the Villages

Old people are people too

 

[ElvisMickey]

You may not want to believe it, but people over 65 still enjoy sex. And, thanks to Viagra,(and a similar drug for women) there is no reason that they have to deprive themselves. I just wish they would realize that pregnancy is not the only byproduct of unprotected sex.

Just like in the song:
"Surf City" is a song written by Brian Wilson and Jan Berry about a fictitious surf spot where there are "two girls for every boy." It was first recorded and made popular by the American duo Jan and Dean in 1963, and their single became the first surf song to become a national number-one hit

Oh, I believe it. It‘s the swinging and orgy stories from that age group that makes me scratch my head.

 

[JoeCamel]

You may not want to believe it, but people over 65 still enjoy sex. And, thanks to Viagra,(and a similar drug for women) there is no reason that they have to deprive themselves. I just wish they would realize that pregnancy is not the only byproduct of unprotected sex.

Just like in the song:
"Surf City" is a song written by Brian Wilson and Jan Berry about a fictitious surf spot where there are "two girls for every boy." It was first recorded and made popular by the American duo Jan and Dean in 1963, and their single became the first surf song to become a national number-one hit

It is rampant in the lifecare communities as well, if you are a semi healthy male you are a rare bird and in demand

 

[The Mom]

Oh, I believe it. It‘s the swinging and orgy stories from that age group that makes me scratch my head.

How would you behave if you could see the end getting closer day by day? I'm surprised that more old people don't do the whole "Harold and Maude" thing and just do whatever they want with no regards to laws, etc. Oh wait, some old people already do.

 

[JoeCamel]

How would you behave if you could see the end getting closer day by day? I'm surprised that more old people don't do the whole "Harold and Maude" thing and just do whatever they want with no regards to laws, etc. Oh wait, some old people already do.

Most have spent their lives working hard and earning money so the disposable income is there plus once you leave your old life you get a whole new set of friends to play with.

 

[Chi84]

It’s very simple. Wear a mask. Ignore anything you heard before this and from this point forward, wear a mask because it helps. Put your personal beliefs aside and wear a mask because it allows us to open more businesses and protects the workers who are there to provide a service to us. If only leaders at every level of our government had just made this statement across the board way less people would have felt the need to resist and we actually probably wouldn’t need mask mandates. Instead it was turned into some political goat rodeo. It’s too bad.

I agree but would change the focus somewhat: Social distance. Just for now, when the virus is so uncontrolled, put off weddings, family gatherings, church services, holiday celebrations, restaurant or bar outings and any other prolonged, close (mostly indoor) contact with others, because according to the CDC and medical experts, that is how the virus is primarily spread. Unlike masks in public areas, this type of social distancing is much harder, and in the case of individual homes, nearly impossible to enforce, but it addresses the primary way the virus is transmitted. Clearly, when you absolutely can't social distance (like at work or school), wear a mask because it helps.