Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[GoofGoof]

Despite what is often said here, wearing a mask is a big deal to a lot of people who won't return to an entertainment venue like WDW until the mandate is lifted. Right now Disney is taking more extreme precautions than many other businesses, and the fans who are putting up with them are diehards who would go no matter what. But my prediction is that WDW will not get the number of guests it needs as long as it is forcing people to wear masks outside in the sun in 95 degree weather and to put them on 2-year-olds. Dismissing something because it is "in people's heads" and contrary to one's own experience is not helpful.

I agree with you that a lot of people don‘t want to go to a theme park in a mask. I‘m one of them. But as the poll I attached shows 39% of people polled said they would be more likely to go to a theme park if masks are mandated and only 20% said they would be less likely to go. I know the poll is dated and it depends on the sample group, but the point is that if they removed the mask mandate they would attract some additional people and also lose some of the people willing to go today. I don’t think removing mask mandates today is guaranteed to increase attendance. I do think that once the majority of people believe masks aren’t necessary, removing the mandate will absolutely increase attendance.

 

[danlb_2000]

Exactly. Reducing the number to zero would have required a total, 2 week lock down of everyone. Which might have meant even more initial deaths but a decrease in numbers long term. And it would have required everyone on earth doing so simultaneously, or as soon as travel restrictions were eased, the numbers would shoot up again.

And even then it might just become dormant, and flare right up again. Until either a vaccine was found, or this particular strain mutated into something less deadly.

Even with a total lockdown it would take longer then two weeks. A single person would probably become non-infectious in 2 weeks, but it could still be passed from one person to the next within a single household thus keeping the virus active for more then 2 weeks.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

i think you and i tend to be like-minded people, but i think this is a great example of you letting your politics color your worldview on this.

all the way back in february, we were explicitly told that 40-to-70% of the population would get this: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/corona...ldwide-virus-expert-warning-today-2020-03-02/

marc lipsitch, who has grown more and more shrill as this has progressed, said this on march 3: "This is not an existential threat. This is, qualitatively, it's very much like a bad pandemic of influenza, which we experienced arguably twice or three times in the 20th Century. It's worse than the one that we experienced in 2009. But none of those brought civilization close to its knees. They made things awful for a while."

and goal post moving is really centered on the left, where the goal was always to spread out the timing of the infections, and this was when we assumed (wrongly) there was no built-in human resistance/immune response to this.

look, i don't know how much more evidence you need that you can't prevent yourself from being infected. sure, there are things to do to limit your exposure, but not for an indefinite period of time, and especially not if you're working class. long-term business restrictions aren't the answer, and i feel like anyone that isn't afraid of being labeled a "right winger" or a "conspiracy theorist" is comfortable saying this.

I think you’re reading everything wrong (and I see leggy...JT...whatever he’s going by now is onboard )

If I wanted to go full on politics...boy I could lace em up for that one...but I don’t want to get too far off that path.

I know a fool when I hear one speak - however - and it’s never been easier to spot one.

Here’s what I “want”: I want to travel, I want to not wear masks, I want to not dunk my hands in rubbing alcohol 11 times a day...I want less business disruption...I want a new subject to talk about...I want Kris Letang Traded for a bang of pucks...

Is that too much??

But what I NEED is for everyone to shut up and just do the maximum to end this. Now. Get in line and know your role. I don’t need pro-Disney zealots telling me they know public Health causes they want their normal vacations...and that’s what we gets tons of round here.

As far as policy and politics: I need people to admit when they been had by hucksters...because shouting longer/louder doesn’t nor ever will change the results of the con. Don’t go down with the ship.

...or go down...during “quiet hours” to not drown out the band.

 

[danlb_2000]

Sorry...but they absolutely should. They can spread the virus, they are a "case". They are not a patient.

It's also hard to determine if someone is asymptomatic of just pre-symptomatic.

 

[Chi84]

I agree with you that a lot of people don‘t want to go to a theme park in a mask. I‘m one of them. But as the poll I attached shows 39% of people polled said they would be more likely to go to a theme park if masks are mandated and only 20% said they would be less likely to go. I know the poll is dated and it depends on the sample group, but the point is that if they removed the mask mandate they would attract some additional people and also lose some of the people willing to go today. I don’t think removing mask mandates today is guaranteed to increase attendance. I do think that once the majority of people believe masks aren’t necessary, removing the mandate will absolutely increase attendance.

I put very little faith in polls, especially in this current atmosphere. In my opinion, many of the people who say they wouldn't go if Disney isn't requiring masks wouldn't go in any event. If people are willing to go right now with the mask mandate, I'm all for it. It will help keep Disney in business.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I agree with you that a lot of people don‘t want to go to a theme park in a mask. I‘m one of them. But as the poll I attached shows 39% of people polled said they would be more likely to go to a theme park if masks are mandated and only 20% said they would be less likely to go. I know the poll is dated and it depends on the sample group, but the point is that if they removed the mask mandate they would attract some additional people and also lose some of the people willing to go today. I don’t think removing mask mandates today is guaranteed to increase attendance. I do think that once the majority of people believe masks aren’t necessary, removing the mandate will absolutely increase attendance.

I was adamant about no masks when this started (it’s in the posts)...I’d be willing to try Orlando dealing with them...but masks aren’t the issue now...it’s the stupids having too much control in a completely charged environment.

Even with a total lockdown it would take longer then two weeks. A single person would probably become non-infectious in 2 weeks, but it could still be passed from one person to the next within a single household thus keeping the virus active for more then 2 weeks.

The tracing and selective isolation was always the way to go once things stabilized. We pooched that on a grand scale.

Taiwan is the best example of this...run by an administrator that was educated at????

...Johns Hopkins. Things are possible. Defiance is rarely rewarded.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I put very little faith in polls, especially in this current atmosphere. In my opinion, many of the people who say they wouldn't go if Disney isn't requiring masks wouldn't go in any event. If people are willing to go right now with the mask mandate, I'm all for it. It will help keep Disney in business.

Disney is not in danger of going out of business...let’s not let that be the premise for people going and acting stupidly “justified”

Disney’s problems are almost solely with the public management right now. No matter what is said by whom...any experienced watcher can follow the trail back to the source.

 

[matt9112]

You not suggesting Florida is the “victim” here, are you?

Lots of rumors of political machinations this week...and sure enough testing “issuers”

Sure ironic.

He’s losing control quickly...5,600 positives today

Its a highly contagious virus...theres nobody "loosing control" of anything as if a human or a set of policys can prevent spread without shutting down the entire economy.

 

[Tink242424]

Rivers of Light has permanently closed.

Primeval Whirl, Stitch's Great Escape and Rivers of Light are now permanently closed

Two attractions at Disney's Animal Kingdom and one at Magic Kingdom will not reopen.

www.wdwmagic.com

Fair enough... But they could do something there... It would take much.

 

[DCBaker]

Some positive news for Disneyland -

"Beginning in November there will be even more distinctively Disney dining and shopping for you to enjoy at the Disneyland Resort, when the Downtown Disney District extends to Buena Vista Street!

Recently, we introduced Downtown Disney guests to the Disneyland Resort Backlot Premiere Shopat Stage 17. This store is currently showcasing an array of seasonal merchandise for you to browse. With Buena Vista Street soon opening select shopping and dining experiences, you can find even more places to enjoy a memorable meal or a fun shopping excursion during your visit.

Here’s what you can discover – be sure to put these places on your shopping and dining list:

• Holiday shopping? Head to Elias & Co. The store is divided into distinct sections for men, women and children, so you’ll find something special for the entire family! At Julius Katz & Sons, peruse even more holiday merchandise and Disney-themed home décor. At Kingswell Camera Shop offers great gift-giving ideas like frames, photo albums and more. Buena Vista Street stores have a variety of your Disney favorites!
• If you are looking to tempt your taste buds with a snack, Trolley Treats offers classic candies, old-fashioned confections and all kinds of freshly made treats. Vending carts will offer popcorn, churros, ice cream and other “must-bite” treats.
• Swing by Fiddler, Fifer & Practical Cafe for the enchanting sights and sounds of Buena Vista Street—and a cup of coffee or scrumptious artisan sandwich.
• Sit-down dining options include Carthay Circle Lounge, where you can unwind in our expanded outdoor seating area featuring an all-new menu of cocktails and dining. Smokejumpers Grill is serving up tasty American classics for lunch and dinner with a streamlined menu of burgers, fries, onion rings and craft beer, located just around the corner from Buena Vista Street. The primary way to place your order at this dining location is through mobile order on the Disneyland App.*

Only the shopping and dining experiences along Buena Vista Street will be accessible from the Downtown Disney District at this time, as Disney California Adventure park is currently closed."

More Shopping, More Dining! Coming Soon: Downtown Disney District at Disneyland Resort Extends to Buena Vista Street

Beginning in November there will be even more distinctively Disney dining and shopping for you to enjoy at the Disneyland Resort, when the Downtown Disney District extends to Buena Vista Street!

disneyparks.disney.go.com

 

[lazyboy97o]

It's also hard to determine if someone is asymptomatic of just pre-symptomatic.

There was a good episode of The Daily about the fighting over asymptomatic versus pre-symptomatic or low symptomatic or even just lying.

 

[Kevin_W]

Regarding theme parks in Sweden, I googled the top few and went to their webpages - all of them say they are currently closed due to Covid.

 

[baymenxpac]

for anyone interested in some medical journal reading today. peer-reviewed. interesting finding:

MMR Vaccination: A Potential Strategy to Reduce Severity and Mortality of COVID-19 Illness

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19), caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), initially reported in Wuhan, China in December 2019 was first detected in the United States on January 20, 2020 in a long-term care facility near Seattle, Washington. The virus spread...

www.amjmed.com

 

[GimpYancIent]

Regarding theme parks in Sweden, I googled the top few and went to their webpages - all of them say they are currently closed due to Covid.

Jeez enough about Sweden. The only thing I have ever seen with "Sweden or Swedish" on it that was if interest was the Swedish bikini team and they were Americans not Swedish.

 

[Disstevefan1]

It’s crazy to think that these death rates are somehow celebrated as doing good. Even if the average is down to “only” 30 people a day in FL that’s an annual total over 10,000 people dying. I can’t see how anyone thinks that’s doing good.

This thread focuses on death by COVID. Let’s all remember folks die every minute of everyday from many things; household accidents, drug mis use or overdose, car wrecks, getting randomly shot, cancer, and here’s a big one, medical malpractice, just to name a few..

 

[Parker in NYC]

and goal post moving is really centered on the left, where the goal was always to spread out the timing of the infections, and this was when we assumed (wrongly) there was no built-in human resistance/immune response to this.

Hold on, the goal was to spread out the timing of infections? No, the goal was and is (though many are still hellbent on screwing it up) bringing cases down. If it wasn't, then New York did it wrong and ended up RIGHT.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Some positive news for Disneyland -

"Beginning in November there will be even more distinctively Disney dining and shopping for you to enjoy at the Disneyland Resort, when the Downtown Disney District extends to Buena Vista Street!

Recently, we introduced Downtown Disney guests to the Disneyland Resort Backlot Premiere Shopat Stage 17. This store is currently showcasing an array of seasonal merchandise for you to browse. With Buena Vista Street soon opening select shopping and dining experiences, you can find even more places to enjoy a memorable meal or a fun shopping excursion during your visit.

Here’s what you can discover – be sure to put these places on your shopping and dining list:

• Holiday shopping? Head to Elias & Co. The store is divided into distinct sections for men, women and children, so you’ll find something special for the entire family! At Julius Katz & Sons, peruse even more holiday merchandise and Disney-themed home décor. At Kingswell Camera Shop offers great gift-giving ideas like frames, photo albums and more. Buena Vista Street stores have a variety of your Disney favorites!
• If you are looking to tempt your taste buds with a snack, Trolley Treats offers classic candies, old-fashioned confections and all kinds of freshly made treats. Vending carts will offer popcorn, churros, ice cream and other “must-bite” treats.
• Swing by Fiddler, Fifer & Practical Cafe for the enchanting sights and sounds of Buena Vista Street—and a cup of coffee or scrumptious artisan sandwich.
• Sit-down dining options include Carthay Circle Lounge, where you can unwind in our expanded outdoor seating area featuring an all-new menu of cocktails and dining. Smokejumpers Grill is serving up tasty American classics for lunch and dinner with a streamlined menu of burgers, fries, onion rings and craft beer, located just around the corner from Buena Vista Street. The primary way to place your order at this dining location is through mobile order on the Disneyland App.*

Only the shopping and dining experiences along Buena Vista Street will be accessible from the Downtown Disney District at this time, as Disney California Adventure park is currently closed."

More Shopping, More Dining! Coming Soon: Downtown Disney District at Disneyland Resort Extends to Buena Vista Street

Beginning in November there will be even more distinctively Disney dining and shopping for you to enjoy at the Disneyland Resort, when the Downtown Disney District extends to Buena Vista Street!

disneyparks.disney.go.com

And to think they could have done this all along instead of throwing a temper tantrum.

 

[GimpYancIent]

Hold on, the goal was to spread out the timing of infections? No, the goal was and is (though many are still hellbent on screwing it up) bringing cases down. If it wasn't, then New York did it wrong and ended up RIGHT.

Agree with 90% of your statement! For the record New York ain't right on many levels.

 

[Parker in NYC]

Agree with 90% of your statement! For the record New York ain't right on many levels.

You obviously weren't here in March, April, and May.

 

[GimpYancIent]

You obviously weren't here in March, April, and May.

Yeah NY really screwed it up during that time frame.