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Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion
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MuteSuperstar
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Garland Woman Dies From COVID-19 While on Domestic Flight
Health officials in Dallas County on Sunday reported 592 additional cases of COVID-19 and three coronavirus-related deaths.
www.nbcdfw.com
"The people who died after contracting COVID-19 included a Garland woman in her 30s who died on a domestic flight"
No, these cases of sudden death don't seem to be so widespread here (yet), but apparently it does happen.
FeelsSoGoodToBeBad
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I'm continuing to hold out hope that many of the things closed right now (nighttime fireworks, live shows, certain stores/restaurants) will be back up and running (if at a somewhat limited/modified capacity) when we go at the end of March. I kind of like the idea of no FP+ as it existed before. Having everyone on the same level playing field when it comes to wait times is refreshing, imo, and also decreases my stress in planning. I've said before, masks are not a deal breaker for us and we will likely wear them even if they're not mandated by WDW (though I think they likely still will be).
Even if things are limited significantly (similar to now), I feel we'll likely go. This will be my othermother's first vacation without my mom (who has dementia and can no longer be cared for at home) and MoeMoe glows every time she talks about going to WDW with us. DD will be almost 17 and wrapping up her junior year of HS, so our time to enjoy family vacations together is likely growing short. DH, DS(almost 15), and DS(13) all LOVE WDW and I think will be tickled to go whenever it is and however it looks, as long as they can ride the rides and eat whatever.
So maybe we spend more time than normal at the resort or at DS. We're still enjoying our vacation and making memories together and that's what is most important to me right now.
That said, if FL looks like it will be unsafe to the point we don't even feel like travelling through the airport is an acceptable risk, we'll have to figure out something else closer to home and put WDW off for another time. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that isn't the case.
Even if things are limited significantly (similar to now), I feel we'll likely go. This will be my othermother's first vacation without my mom (who has dementia and can no longer be cared for at home) and MoeMoe glows every time she talks about going to WDW with us. DD will be almost 17 and wrapping up her junior year of HS, so our time to enjoy family vacations together is likely growing short. DH, DS(almost 15), and DS(13) all LOVE WDW and I think will be tickled to go whenever it is and however it looks, as long as they can ride the rides and eat whatever.
So maybe we spend more time than normal at the resort or at DS. We're still enjoying our vacation and making memories together and that's what is most important to me right now.
That said, if FL looks like it will be unsafe to the point we don't even feel like travelling through the airport is an acceptable risk, we'll have to figure out something else closer to home and put WDW off for another time. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that isn't the case.
FeelsSoGoodToBeBad
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You know what else we've not seen anywhere else? Families being welded into their homes. People dragged into the street and loaded into boxes in the back of pickup trucks to be taken who-knows-where. Long lines of mourners outside funeral homes that received mass deliveries of urns for deaths that weren't happening (if you believe the CCP).
What I'm getting at is this: Calling this pandemic "alleged" is insulting to those who have been effected by it, either through their work, personal illness, or the illness/death of people closest to them, in addition to all the business that will close their doors forever because of the measures governments AROUND THE WORLD took to try to contain or at least slow the spread of this virus. Additionally, comparing what happened in China then to what is happening in the US and other parts of the world now is not a valid apples to apples comparison.
Early in this we had wildly inaccurate information about how the virus spread (some maybe even intentionally misleading) and no idea how to handle this novel virus. Oh, and remember when the CCP insisted there was no person to person transmission, but Taiwan tried to warn the WHO there was reason to believe it was happening, but they were summarily dismissed because the CCP told them it wasn't happening? Over time and as the virus made it's way to other countries, we started to learn more about how it spreads, behaves, effects those infected, ways to slow transmission, and ultimately treatments that showed some measure of success.
Jrb1979
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I'm sure park hopping will return even if the park reservation system stays. It would be easy to implement. Once you are in your first park you go onto MDE and pick the park you want to hop to. It really isn't such a bad thing.
TrainsOfDisney
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It’s not bad. But it’s more steps added to a formerly care free vacation.
Jrb1979
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I don't find Disney to be a care free vacation. Way to much planning involved to be care free. Now Universal is very much a care free vacation.
TrainsOfDisney
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Disneyland still is. (Or was?).
oceanbreeze77
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Thats because DL is a locals park. We just pop in for an afternoon or a morning stroll. The vacationers get the whole day (and fastpasses).
FeelsSoGoodToBeBad
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I think my family (who just has to pack their clothes and follow me to the airport/hotel/room/parks/meals/etc finds it a VERY relaxing vacation!
TrainsOfDisney
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The traditional fastpass does help a lot. But wdw used to have the same feel. It’s not just a local vs. tourist park imho.
Sirwalterraleigh
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Long ago, kimo sabe
Frankly...it’s because wdw travelers can’t say no...so they go along with everything including micromanagement for upsell
lazyboy97o
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It’s because Disneyland has more hourly capacity. It hasn’t been at the forefront of minimizing attractions per guest per hour for decades. The long waits we are starting to see at Walt Disney World are the result of deliberately suppressing capacity with shell games, namely FastPass but also the many other reservations and up charges . The parks look crowded even with a reduced cap because for years now they have been designed to create crowding.
Sirwalterraleigh
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...indeed
Vegas Disney Fan
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Park hopping is an upcharge millions of guests opt for, I don’t think there‘s any way Disney is going to permanently eliminate something that makes hundreds of millions a year that costs them nothing.
BrianLo
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Every time we get one of those "It's no worse than the flu!" posts, it might help to review the yearly flu numbers from the CDC:
Burden of Influenza
Learn about how CDC estimates the burden of seasonal influenza in the U.S.www.cdc.gov
Even in the worst year recently, we only hit about 60K deaths for the flu. We've already hit almost 4 times that number for COVID this year, not to mention all the "long COVID" (as the after effects are being called), cases. We're still gathering the numbers on these, but the preliminary estimates aren't pretty.
Finally... the common cold kills virtually nobody, so don't even go down that path.
PS- Yes, I would too would like FS+ to be restricted to resort guests.
Just to blow things out even more (which I know you know), 'Influenza' is not even a single entity.
Mortality is spread between at least two, if not three totally different circulating strains. H1N1, H3N2 and Influenza B.
COVID-19 is just one entity being tracked and doesn't include other strains of Coronavirus in its' tally.
The other part no one mentions from your link is that the 60k death year is based on approximately 45million cases of influenza. COVID meanwhile has 220k with only 8million cases. The Pandemic, despite the chatter, is still being kept much more at bay by large scale health protocols. I do think the 1 million deaths without current spread prevention strategies would be a reality in the US.
LittleBuford
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The comparison becomes still more problematic when one bears in mind that we’re dealing with reported deaths in the case of Covid and estimates in the case of the flu:
Assessment of Deaths From COVID-19 and From Seasonal Influenza
This Viewpoint uses publicly available data to analyze the number of deaths from seasonal influenza deaths compared with deaths from coronavirus disease 2019.
jamanetwork.com
BrianLo
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The comparison becomes still more problematic when one bears in mind that we’re dealing with reported deaths in the case of Covid and estimates in the case of the flu:
Assessment of Deaths From COVID-19 and From Seasonal Influenza
This Viewpoint uses publicly available data to analyze the number of deaths from seasonal influenza deaths compared with deaths from coronavirus disease 2019.
I agree. Anyways I am happy the worst case doomsday scenario is not being played out. Sometimes we focus on everything being done wrong, but there is a lot being done right. The Pandemic could be a whole lot worse.
LittleBuford
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Alas, as an expat Brit watching events back home with horror, I don’t have the same optimistic outlook. The pandemic could (and should) have been confronted much more effectively than it has been.
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