Politics Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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GoofGoof

Premium Member
Most of my friends and I are AP holders at DL and the extra $89 (iirc) to add Maxpass to a DL AP is worth every penny. The ability to make a FP for Space Mtn in DL while having drinks at Lamplight lounge in DCA is priceless, basically turns the 2 parks into 1 big one. I also love that I can go back to my hotel for an afternoon break/swim and make a FP from the hotel once I know when I’ll be heading back for the night. It’s a very user friendly system and one I’d love to see come to WDW.
For sure worth it for AP holders. We were at DLR for 4 days last summer and a family of 4 so it cost us $80 a day to add maxpass. For us the photopass included was pretty good too so we could get al, the ride photos plus some group shots of all 4 of us. My kids had never been to DLR or CA for that matter so it was well worth it to make sure we got to do most of the rides we wanted. It’s a good system in general.
 

monykalyn

Well-Known Member
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I know this won’t be a popular opinion, but I’d like to see fast passes offered to just Disney Resort guests. Something similar to what Universal does.
Express is only offered to certain hotels, with ability to buy it. UO also has the AP with Express built in. If the only way to get FP at Disney was to stay in a supremely overpriced hotel, pay several hundred a day per person or even more outrageous prices for an AP with limited ability to make FP-Disney will have effectively priced themselves out.
Talk about bad publicity-how many -after spending the equivalent of a nice new car for vacation-will be likely to repeat that experience?
 

hopemax

Well-Known Member
Because there is always something new to learn regarding COVID. People, don't do this!

In China, man habitually blows his nose into his hand. Touches elevator buttons. Second person arrives 2 minutes later, touches buttons then used a toothpick to clean teeth in elevator. Infected.


Figure this is better than conspiracy posts :D
 

LUVMCO

Well-Known Member
Express is only offered to certain hotels, with ability to buy it. UO also has the AP with Express built in. If the only way to get FP at Disney was to stay in a supremely overpriced hotel, pay several hundred a day per person or even more outrageous prices for an AP with limited ability to make FP-Disney will have effectively priced themselves out.
Talk about bad publicity-how many -after spending the equivalent of a nice new car for vacation-will be likely to repeat that experience?
They could offer fast pass plus to all Disney resort guests.
 

DisneyDebRob

Well-Known Member
I didn't say covid was alleged. I said the pandemic was alleged. The common cold can infect up towards 1 billion people per year. And what does the media primarily focus on? Positives cases, not deaths.

Remember the videos of asian people dropping dead in the streets when the virus started in China? The videos that had people panicking? The videos that had everybody thinking they would be next to drop dead while walking to the subway? Why haven't we seen that anywhere else? Why have no other countries had videos of a man or woman walking the street and collapsing from covid? Because that's not real. But it was shown over and over and over again in the beginning and people got scared. Now they CONSTANTLY talk about positive cases, not deaths and especially not survival rates. Why? Because it doesn't seem as scary to talk about survival.

People won't continually tune in for survival rates. They will however, continue to tune in for updates on how many people have died. They will continually tune in for updates on how they can prevent themselves from dying. I see masks littering the streets every day. The same people who will claim they wear the mask to prevent spreading the disease are the same people discarding their mask in the grocery store parking lot. They are selfish and only care about themselves. A majority of people wearing masks actually think the mask will prevent them from catching covid. They don't wear it because they are trying to protect others.

But yes, I know, comparing covid to the common cold is not allowed.

We are not in a pandemic. Comparisons to other infections and death rates prove it.
Wow.
 

danlb_2000

Well-Known Member
Legitimate is the key. A mistake is a mistake and like we talked about extensively there’s some grey areas particularly with co-morbidities but there’s a big difference between legitimate errors in counting or judgement calls and a widespread conspiracy to inflate the death count. This discussion all started with an allegation that it’s widespread that hospitals are falsifying death records to get extra Covid payments from the government. I’m sure there’s some errors going both ways, there‘s also a possibility some doctor somewhere was overstating Covid deaths whether for personal financial gain or political beliefs. What I don’t find credible is the conspiracy theory that the over-reporting is widespread and therefore the numbers are exaggerated and our response an overreaction. As I said a while back in an extreme example if 10% of Covid deaths were incorrectly reported (overstated) there are still over 200K Americans dead...it doesn’t really move the needle. I don’t buy into this ”gotcha“ mentality where if you find one discrepancy (like the motor cycle accident story quoted frequently)that’s proof that the numbers are materially wrong.

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe there is widespread falsifying of death records either. I was just randomly jumping in with the point that legitimate reporting error can go either way.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Don't get me wrong, I don't believe there is widespread falsifying of death records either. I was just randomly jumping in with the point that legitimate reporting error can go either way.
Yes, for sure, and with all the pressure on hospitals and doctors and the added uncertainty around Covid in general it’s not surprising to see some errors or issues with reporting. IMHO it’s unlikely that the errors are frequent or widespread enough to move the needle either way. If more concrete evidence comes out that there‘s something wrong (actual whistleblower complaints, press releases from hospitals, news stories confirmed by multiple sources, etc) then I’m willing to listen. I take anecdotal stories from social media claiming people know someone who knows about the widespread fraud with a huge grain of salt.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
Because there is always something new to learn regarding COVID. People, don't do this!

In China, man habitually blows his nose into his hand. Touches elevator buttons. Second person arrives 2 minutes later, touches buttons then used a toothpick to clean teeth in elevator. Infected.


Figure this is better than conspiracy posts :D
🤢 That’s what I needed to read after dinner.
 

Kman

Well-Known Member
I didn't say covid was alleged. I said the pandemic was alleged. The common cold can infect up towards 1 billion people per year. And what does the media primarily focus on? Positives cases, not deaths.

Remember the videos of asian people dropping dead in the streets when the virus started in China? The videos that had people panicking? The videos that had everybody thinking they would be next to drop dead while walking to the subway? Why haven't we seen that anywhere else? Why have no other countries had videos of a man or woman walking the street and collapsing from covid? Because that's not real. But it was shown over and over and over again in the beginning and people got scared. Now they CONSTANTLY talk about positive cases, not deaths and especially not survival rates. Why? Because it doesn't seem as scary to talk about survival.

People won't continually tune in for survival rates. They will however, continue to tune in for updates on how many people have died. They will continually tune in for updates on how they can prevent themselves from dying. I see masks littering the streets every day. The same people who will claim they wear the mask to prevent spreading the disease are the same people discarding their mask in the grocery store parking lot. They are selfish and only care about themselves. A majority of people wearing masks actually think the mask will prevent them from catching covid. They don't wear it because they are trying to protect others.

But yes, I know, comparing covid to the common cold is not allowed.

We are not in a pandemic. Comparisons to other infections and death rates prove it.
Is that you Mr. President??
 

Stitch826

Active Member
I'm sure it's lovely for Disney, but it's not great for guests. (though with y month ahead adr's, you often have essentially a park reservation).

Take yesterday, when Everest went down for the whole day. It was our only day with an AK reservation, so we don't get to ride it this trip. Nevermind the negative effect on the other rides in AK.
This. As a solo traveler, I love(d) park hopping. Spend the morning and early afternoon in one park, then hop over to another in the evening. Occasionally I even left the second and went to a third to see the nighttime fireworks or show. If I have a six day trip, the reservation system would limit me to only one day at two of the parks. If a ride is broken down that day, I wouldn’t get to experience it that trip at all. Not to mention what countless others have written here about going to another park just for a restaurant.
 

TrainChasers

Well-Known Member
This. As a solo traveler, I love(d) park hopping. Spend the morning and early afternoon in one park, then hop over to another in the evening. Occasionally I even left the second and went to a third to see the nighttime fireworks or show. If I have a six day trip, the reservation system would limit me to only one day at two of the parks. If a ride is broken down that day, I wouldn’t get to experience it that trip at all. Not to mention what countless others have written here about going to another park just for a restaurant.
Yeah... Disney sounds like a weird place to go for a solo trip right now. Maybe it’s fine once you’re there, but I feel like party of 1 may get a weird look when boarding transportation and some of the rides.

Maybe I’m over thinking it. So much just sounds like a non-magical time right now.
 

OrlandoRising

Well-Known Member
We are not in a pandemic. Comparisons to other infections and death rates prove it.
Seems like you’re referring to this misrepresentation of CDC data from this summer.

CDC spokeswoman Kristen Nordlund: The epidemic threshold "refers to the point at which the observed proportion of deaths is significantly higher than would be expected at that time of the year in the absence of substantial influenza, and now COVID-related mortality." Deaths are a lagging indicator of COVID-19, partly because of a delay in the processing of death certificates. Death rates alone don’t "have bearing on whether COVID-19 is still an epidemic," given that the extent of the outbreak is the primary factor.

 

Touchdown

Well-Known Member
I just filled out a very interesting survey about my AP from Disney. It asked if I plan to renew, and why I’m unlikely to. It specifically focused on if the lack of entertainment and COVID. This wasn’t a marketing survey, and didn’t seem to push you down one path; it seems like Disney is actually trying to figure out why they are losing customers. I hope a lot of people answer similar to me.
 

Stitch826

Active Member
Yeah... Disney sounds like a weird place to go for a solo trip right now. Maybe it’s fine once you’re there, but I feel like party of 1 may get a weird look when boarding transportation and some of the rides.

Maybe I’m over thinking it. So much just sounds like a non-magical time right now.
True. I certainly have no plans on returning until the mask mandates and social distancing are gone, park hopping is restored, and fireworks are back.
 

TrainChasers

Well-Known Member
True. I certainly have no plans on returning until the mask mandates and social distancing are gone, park hopping is restored, and fireworks are back.
If Disney were open as usual but with masks and distancing I’d be there. But limited entertainment, no park hopping, no fireworks, and so many closed restaurants and shops... doesn’t seem worth it to me.

Good thing I’m just a lowly AP that Chapek doesn’t want anyways.
 

Stitch826

Active Member
I just filled out a very interesting survey about my AP from Disney. It asked if I plan to renew, and why I’m unlikely to. It specifically focused on if the lack of entertainment and COVID. This wasn’t a marketing survey, and didn’t seem to push you down one path; it seems like Disney is actually trying to figure out why they are losing customers. I hope a lot of people answer similar to me.
It would be great if they emailed that survey to previous vacation guests as well who vacationed recently (prior to the pandemic). If they really cared about our thoughts...
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I didn't say covid was alleged. I said the pandemic was alleged. The common cold can infect up towards 1 billion people per year. And what does the media primarily focus on? Positives cases, not deaths.

Remember the videos of asian people dropping dead in the streets when the virus started in China? The videos that had people panicking? The videos that had everybody thinking they would be next to drop dead while walking to the subway? Why haven't we seen that anywhere else? Why have no other countries had videos of a man or woman walking the street and collapsing from covid? Because that's not real. But it was shown over and over and over again in the beginning and people got scared. Now they CONSTANTLY talk about positive cases, not deaths and especially not survival rates. Why? Because it doesn't seem as scary to talk about survival.

People won't continually tune in for survival rates. They will however, continue to tune in for updates on how many people have died. They will continually tune in for updates on how they can prevent themselves from dying. I see masks littering the streets every day. The same people who will claim they wear the mask to prevent spreading the disease are the same people discarding their mask in the grocery store parking lot. They are selfish and only care about themselves. A majority of people wearing masks actually think the mask will prevent them from catching covid. They don't wear it because they are trying to protect others.

But yes, I know, comparing covid to the common cold is not allowed.

We are not in a pandemic. Comparisons to other infections and death rates prove it.
Yep...you’re today’s winner
 

MuteSuperstar

Well-Known Member
Remember the videos of asian people dropping dead in the streets when the virus started in China? The videos that had people panicking? The videos that had everybody thinking they would be next to drop dead while walking to the subway? Why haven't we seen that anywhere else? Why have no other countries had videos of a man or woman walking the street and collapsing from covid? Because that's not real.

"The people who died after contracting COVID-19 included a Garland woman in her 30s who died on a domestic flight"

No, these cases of sudden death don't seem to be so widespread here (yet), but apparently it does happen.
 

FeelsSoGoodToBeBad

Well-Known Member
I'm continuing to hold out hope that many of the things closed right now (nighttime fireworks, live shows, certain stores/restaurants) will be back up and running (if at a somewhat limited/modified capacity) when we go at the end of March. I kind of like the idea of no FP+ as it existed before. Having everyone on the same level playing field when it comes to wait times is refreshing, imo, and also decreases my stress in planning. I've said before, masks are not a deal breaker for us and we will likely wear them even if they're not mandated by WDW (though I think they likely still will be).

Even if things are limited significantly (similar to now), I feel we'll likely go. This will be my othermother's first vacation without my mom (who has dementia and can no longer be cared for at home) and MoeMoe glows every time she talks about going to WDW with us. DD will be almost 17 and wrapping up her junior year of HS, so our time to enjoy family vacations together is likely growing short. DH, DS(almost 15), and DS(13) all LOVE WDW and I think will be tickled to go whenever it is and however it looks, as long as they can ride the rides and eat whatever. 😂

So maybe we spend more time than normal at the resort or at DS. We're still enjoying our vacation and making memories together and that's what is most important to me right now.

That said, if FL looks like it will be unsafe to the point we don't even feel like travelling through the airport is an acceptable risk, we'll have to figure out something else closer to home and put WDW off for another time. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that isn't the case.
 

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