And if you do wear your mask properly, they know it too. (By Photopass photographers and ride photos).
This is the message I got on the MDE app during my trip, a few days ago:
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And if you do wear your mask properly, they know it too. (By Photopass photographers and ride photos).
This is the message I got on the MDE app during my trip, a few days ago:
ImperfectPixie
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As much as I LOVE how much they're paying attention and promoting safe practices, that's bound to freak some people out.
Wait, is that you guys??? I love it! Would make for a great memory.
Cute family if it is you.
(well, I mean they are still cute if it's not you...)DisneyCane
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Believe what you want but I know for a fact it happens.
I'm not saying that almost nobody dies due to COVID. I am saying that the numbers are definitely somewhat inflated for financial reasons.
DisneyCane
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I know of many cases where someone is hospitalized "with COVID" and the hospitalization has nothing to do with COVID. While there is some cost for things like PPE, the reason that it is beneficial to have a COVID patient is that it guaranteed reimbursement to the hospital. It's not really that they are charging more, just that they will actually get paid.
lazyboy97o
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Then you have reported this illegal activity to the proper authorities? You are going to go public with your evidence?
DisneyCane
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Absolutely. Do people really want to know they are being monitored like that. They should send photos to people NOT wearing the mask. Then they'll think twice before not following the rules.
DisneyCane
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It isn't illegal to list COVID-19 positive on a report if it is true. No, I'm not going public because I don't physically have evidence. I've been told second hand from people in positions to know.
I agree they should send photos to those not wearing masks.
To your other point, I am not bothered in the least that Disney is "monitoring" me. I'd get a kick out of getting random photos of us sent to our MDE. Probably would be pretty funny...
DisneyCane
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I wouldn't have a problem with it personally but some will be very creeped out!
Not us, but I'd like to think we're cute too.Wait, is that you guys??? I love it! Would make for a great memory.
Cute family if it is you.
GimpYancIent
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Hey! It is not a super secret observation plot to monitor guests. It's public, it's known, it's no big deal. Every guest knows they are monitored on Disney properties via various means such as magic bands, cell phones and yea camera observation. Nothing to be creeped out about.
Chip Chipperson
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If the number of COVID-19 deaths are inflated then how do you explain the excess deaths every week since late-March? The CDC chart I linked to yesterday should be enough to end any suspicion of "inflated numbers."
GoofGoof
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Going public with evidence isn’t going to get you very far when your evidence is some guys who made a YouTube video claiming this is happening that was later removed. It’s easy to go online and say you “know people who are doing this” (more than one person here has claimed it) but somehow no actual doctors, nurses or administrators have blown the whistle and gone public. I find it very hard to believe that every worker in every hospital is willing to stay silent while a massive fraud is being committed just so their employer can make a few more bucks from false Covid claims.
It's not like they have to deal with guests freaking out all the time for lesser issues.
I've seen (and have) 4 different death certificates in my papers, and they all list various illnesses that were not the most probable or proximal cause of death (well, one is in Greek, so I'm not 100% certain) . But in 2 different US states other illnesses were still listed on the Death Certificate. FL allows more than one COD (4) to be listed in Part l, while MD only allows one COD, but 2 other contributing causes can be listed in Part l, and more existing illneses can be listed in Part ll. FL also allows more illnesses/conditions to be listed in Part ll. More detailed surgeries/trauma are listed in subcatergories - but since none of the ones I have involved surgery or trauma, nothing is written there.. There is also a question about whether or not the patient was a smoker - which, AFAIK, is used for statistical purposes if not already listed in the other sections.
I also know people who have actually filled out death certificates. It is not always done by the patient's primary care doctor, depending on circumstances.
Heppenheimer
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I'm doing my annual CME (online for once, thanks to COVID-19). There was some interesting information provided on the vaccine trials. Of those currently in stage III, the smallest has about 25,000 participants and the largest (Pfizer) aims to enroll up to 44,000, although they haven't yet reached that target. These numbers are unprecedentedly large for vaccine trials, which generally struggle to reach 10,000 subjects for enrollment. So on the numbers alone, if and when these vaccines are released, they will have undergone more widespread pre-marketing testing than any other in history.
Heppenheimer
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Most often if the patient died in hospital or under hospice care, it will be the attending physician for those services who fills out the death certificate.
I now work only on the out-patient side, so the only time I fill one out is if a non-hospice patient dies unexpectedly in their home or if they're essentially dead by the time they reach the ER. In the latter case, the ER attending really only declares the death and they probably don't know enough of the history to fill out the certificate.
Update to the vaccine timeline outline in red. In this update: No October vaccine...
Reading about the status of various vaccines have left me confused as to which vaccines are which and where they are in development and who's saying what about how far along they are. So, I made an outline...
Monderna/NIH
Biontech/Pfizer/Fosun
AstraZeneca/Oxford
Johnson & Johnson / Beth Israel
Novavax
Phase 3:
In short, as Dr. Fauci has said, an October vaccine is not impossible, just very unlikely.
Reading about the status of various vaccines have left me confused as to which vaccines are which and where they are in development and who's saying what about how far along they are. So, I made an outline...
Monderna/NIH
Type: mRNA (requires ultra-cold storage, -20C, and 2 doses)
Warp Speed: $2.5B, for 100M doses
Phase 3: Started Jul 27, 30K people, enrollment completes in September
Earliest according to CDC: “Vaccine B” – local health departments, prepare for Oct (just in case, if all goes very well). Late Oct or Nov. 1M doses by Oct, 10M by Nov, 15M by Dec.
Earliest according to manufacturer: by the end of 2020.
Biontech/Pfizer/Fosun
Type: mRNA (requires ultra-cold storage, -70C, and 2 doses)
Phase 3: Started Jul 27, 30K people
Warp Speed: $1.9B for 100M doses (by Dec?)
Earliest according to CDC: “Vaccine A” – local health departments, prepare for Oct (just in case, if all goes very well). Late Oct or Nov. 2M doses by end of Oct, 10-20M doses by Nov, 20-30M dosed by Dec.
Earliest according to manufacturer: Regulatory review in Oct. which could theoretically lead to early end of Phase 3. Now, not going to happen until Thanksgiving the earliest.
AstraZeneca/Oxford
Type: altered chimp adenovirus
Warp Speed: $1.2B
Phase 3: in progress, recently started, study paused due to unexplained illness. Restarted in Europe, still on hold in the US.
Earliest according to CDC: Doses can be delivered by Oct.
Earliest according to manufacturer: Doses available by the end of 2020.
Johnson & Johnson / Beth Israel
Type: altered adenovirus (the one they used for an Ebola vaccine) [1 dose, only refrigeration to store]
Warp Speed: $456M (+$1B if proven successful for 100M doses)
Phase 3: just started, but will use a much larger test group (60k people), could be done by the end of 2020, enrollment now on a temporary pause due to one subject's unexplained illness
Earliest according to CDC: Nothing from CDC yet about this vaccine.
Earliest according to manufacturer: Beginning of 2021. Plan to make a billion doses.
Novavax
Type: sticking proteins on microscopic particles
Warp Speed: $1.6B
Phase 3: just started, could be done by the beginning of 2021
Earliest according to CDC: Nothing from CDC yet about this vaccine.
Earliest according to manufacturer: Plan to make 100M doses by 1st Q of 2021.
Phase 3:
Final phase of trials. A large number of people are given either the vaccine or placebo, double blind
Wait to see if there are negative reactions to the vaccine. If there are, vaccine is scrubbed.
Wait to see how much more the vaccinated group is protected compared to the placebo. To be effective, people should be at least 50% more protected.
If early results show extraordinarily good results, then this Phase can end early, because it would be unethical to leave those who received the placebo to be unprotected by an effective vaccine – this is what leads to an “October vaccine,” which, is only a result of extraordinarily good results.
An independent review board evaluates the effectiveness. The FDA will not approve (or, is not supposed to approve) a vaccine without the board's go-ahead.
In addition to governmental approval (or "fast-tracking"), the manufacturers themselves can decide not to release the vaccine until what they consider are appropriate evaluations are made. And, in fact, have pledged to "follow the science" and not release the vaccine until large trials and the science show that it is both safe and effective.
In short, as Dr. Fauci has said, an October vaccine is not impossible, just very unlikely.
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