Miss Bella
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She did not accuse him of lying just being condescending, You realize not all doctors agree on how to treat patients.
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lazyboy97o
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Saying he is misstating the safety of vaccines is an accusation of lying. A pediatrician would know the risks involved and intentionally downplaying them is knowingly making false statements. It’s anti-vaccine bunk that you are unsurprisingly encouraging.
GimpYancIent
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Sounds like Charlie Browns teacher.
Miss Bella
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Since when is having a different opinion accusing the other person of lying.
BrianLo
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This is largely why I don’t get into it. No where do I blame individuals in the public at large who have become vaccine hesitant. No where did I advocate for forcing anyone to do anything. No where did I say it’s not people’s choice.
For what it is worth, a vaccine is not a medical procedure.
I’m advocating for people to get better access to information than the internet. The majority of your post is factually inaccurate and that’s the problem. Misinformation spreads like wildfire and it’s neither your nor other posters fault that they’ve fallen for it. The risks are not the same and if they are even remotely so the vaccines will never see the light of day.
lazyboy97o
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Whether or not the risks are the same is not a matter of opinion.
GimpYancIent
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Are there any more Halloween charts? That jack o' lantern chart was very season appropriate.
GoofGoof
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I agree that nobody should be forced to get a Covid vaccine and I haven’t seen anywhere that anyone from the government is suggesting they do that. The only thing I‘m confused about is the comment that the other person is informed on the risks and benefits. How could we possibly know the risks or the benefits if the vaccines haven‘t even been approved? Or maybe a better question is what are the risks? What are the odds of serious reaction and/or death? How do we know the risks are similar to the risks of Covid? It doesn’t seem possible to me that we could know that yet but if there’s some information out there I’d be interested in seeing it.
easyrowrdw
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I know people who are very concerned about mandatory vaccines. I don't see it happening from the government side (they're not competent enough to manage it
), but I can see it being required for travel to certain places or by a person's work. If the latter comes to pass, then it is effectively going to be forced on some individuals. I dunno.
Heppenheimer
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Nobody knows anything about the risks of the proposed vaccines yet because the data has not been publicly released, or even finalized. But given all the scrutiny the FDA (and its European equivalent) are applying to these vaccines, it seems extremely unlikely that the risk of any vaccine will be anything more than several orders of magnitude lower than for the actual disease.
Miss Bella
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You're right we wouldn't know that at this point. I would assume she is comparing it to the risks and benefits of the flu vaccine. Vaccines aside the benefits of taking any medications should outweigh the risks. All medications do have side effects. Some people have no reservations about popping a pill for every problem and some choose a more natural approach.
I'm always amazed people will take medications without even knowing why they are taking them. I see it every day, but that's a whole other issue.
Jrb1979
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Not to go into the medication issue but IMO I believe a lot of that has to do with the fact they can advertise on TV for it. Here I Canada as far as I know it's not allowed.
Chomama
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Ok I have said it three times but what’s the deal with deaths? This isn’t just a lag
danlb_2000
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Are you trying to claim that more people will die from a covid vaccine then would die from the disease? We don't know anything about the safety of a covid vaccine yet, but I have a hard time believing that any current vaccine has a death rate anywhere near that of covid.
SamusAranX
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Florida has a higher rate of elderly population? That would benefit my guess. I would like to see it decrease either way
DisneyCane
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A significant part seems to be lag. I wish I could find the source/chart somebody posted that shows the deaths by date of death going back months. The DOH publishes the last 30 days by date of death and the highest so far in that time frame for a day is 63 on 9/14.
GoofGoof
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I don’t know if there’s any official stats out there on children and flu shots, but I had read somewhere recently that overall, children and adults combined, the number of annual deaths from flu shots is in the single digits and they are primarily from Guillain-Barre Syndrome which is more common in people naturally infected with influenza than people who got a flu shot. There are various levels of adverse reactions to the shots from arm pain at the point of injection to headache and flu like symptoms that last a few days and are generally far less severe than the flu itself. Everyone is free to do what they want obviously, but if the risks of a Covid vaccine are similar to a flu shot IMHO the reward far outweighs the risk. It’s not even close.
Some flu shot stats from CDC:
Flu Vaccine Safety Information | CDC
Flu Vaccine Safety Information: Questions and Answers -- CDC
www.cdc.gov
Kevin_W
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I think this is similar to what you were looking for (from https://business.fau.edu/covidtracker/data/selected-charts/:
It looks very different than the daily reported death chart. You can see the peak in Mid-July st ~250/day rather than the reported ~175, because many of those mid-July deaths did not get reported until much later (for reasons that are completely unclear to me). So the top graph looks much more like you would expect/hope the curve to look, although with the caveat that the tail in September/October will likely rise assuming they are still being very slow in reporting those deaths. The curve of hospitzalizations matches the # of cases curve well, so likely the death curve will end up in the same place.
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