Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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oceanbreeze77

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LUVMCO said:
The vaccine has not been tested on children so I think the pp has valid concerns. I would hope most parents would.
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GoofGoof said:
None of the vaccines have been approved yet. The FDA will not approve any of them for kids without first running trials with younger children.
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This is exactly why some vaccines out there have different dosages for different age groups. Its all for safety.
 
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oceanbreeze77

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LUVMCO said:
It amazes me that a parent would volunteer their kid for that.
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As a nurse I am sure you are aware that around the world many studies and trials are tested on everyday patients, including children. Parents will do whatever possible to provide their child with the best care possible, even if sometimes it involves putting their child in a trial. Medicine has become so advanced and spectacular but its capabilities need to be proven.

For example, In this particular case, it is quite possible that the parent/s of a child who is completely immunocompromised and has no chance against the virus, may see this as a golden opportunity to protect their child.
 
Miss Bella

Miss Bella

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oceanbreeze77 said:
As a nurse I am sure you are aware that around the world many studies and trials are tested on everyday patients, including children. Parents will do whatever possible to provide their child with the best care possible, even if sometimes it involves putting their child in a trial. Medicine has become so advanced and spectacular but its capabilities need to be proven.

For example, In this particular case, it is quite possible that the parent/s of a child who is completely immunocompromised and has no chance against the virus, may see this as a golden opportunity to protect their child.
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When you have children I hope you help humanity and put them in drug trials.
 
Heppenheimer

Heppenheimer

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www.medscape.com

Moderna to Apply for EU's Rolling Approval for COVID-19 Vaccine

Moderna will soon apply for real-time reviews of its experimental COVID-19 vaccine in Europe, the drug developer said on Thursday, days after the EU health regulator launched rolling reviews of shots from its rivals.
www.medscape.com

Meanwhile, on the other side of the pond, Moderna, Pfizer, AstraZeneca and BioNTech have all applied for the EU's "real time review" process, which will allow submission of data to the regulatory agencies before their trials conclude. This could possibly result in an earlier release of a vaccine, but it depends on how convincing the initial data appears.

Also, looks like the wizards at DARPA are working with Moderna to develop rapid and mobile vaccine manufacturing units. This could allow targeted development in geographic regions of highest need.
 
Archie123

Archie123

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Heppenheimer said:
We've all but forgotten how polio and smallpox terrified previous generations of parents.

EDIT: Why is this thread now labeled with a green "Politics" icon? This has been the "good" COVID-19 thread, for the most part (unlike the train-wreck of a thread in the politics subforum).
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Because it sometimes comes very close to mirroring that train wreck and I am sure the mods want people to know that politics will be discussed here to some degree.
 
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GoofGoof

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Heppenheimer said:
We've all but forgotten how polio and smallpox terrified previous generations of parents.

EDIT: Why is this thread now labeled with a green "Politics" icon? This has been the "good" COVID-19 thread, for the most part (unlike the train-wreck of a thread in the politics subforum).
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I think the issue is some people feel Covid is no big deal and therefore it’s not worth vaccinating kids for it. I still get my kids a flu shot every year despite the very rare chance it results in death. It’s a personal choice, some people are just opposed to vaccines in general and I’m not getting into that discussion because it never ends well.

I just hope that enough people are willing to get a Covid vaccine to get us out of this mess. If enough people resist it’s possible we will be in this “new temporary norm” of masks, social distancing and lack of a lot of activities people enjoy for years instead of months.
 
GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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Archie123 said:
Because it sometimes comes very close to mirroring that train wreck and I am sure the mods want people to know that politics will be discussed here to some degree.
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I’m not a moderator but I think the key here is the notation on the thread says “political discussion related to the thread topic”. This thread wasn’t moved to the politics section so not a green light for general political discussion. Just my interpretation.
 
Archie123

Archie123

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GoofGoof said:
I’m not a moderator but I think the key here is the notation on the thread says “political discussion related to the thread topic”. This thread wasn’t moved to the politics section so not a green light for general political discussion. Just my interpretation.
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I agree. It just lets people know that some of the discussion on this thread might venture into politics but if you want to get down and dirty you will still need to go to the politics sub-forum.
 
Tink242424

Tink242424

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BrianLo said:
Natural concerns, not valid. The entirety of vaccine hesitancy springs out of misinformation and misplaced fear against a product that ultimately is hypercritically analyzed and approved by many, many, many independent and National health bodies as safe. Thank social media for driving a generation away from science. A child is exposed to millions of antigens in their everyday environment, but vaccine hesitancy places the blame squarely at the foot of one out of falsified fear spread over the last decade(s)... again thanks to social media and poor public science literacy.

There is an entire disease process that is well described in children (MIS-C) that is not captured simply by deaths. One that is already infinitely more common than true serious side effects from the billions of doses of many vaccines given worldwide.

A vaccine for children will be established as magnitudes times safer than rolling the dice with a child contracting the virus. But that will continue to be a hard uphill battle for a large segment of the population that is naturally (although not validly) vaccine hesitant.


I'd encourage anyone with natural concerns to seek more information from vaccine hesitancy clinics, which are typically offered in most major urban paediatric centres, to learn more from Peds ID docs rather than the internet.
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WOW!! How condescending! There are DEFINITELY risks to taking a vaccine (or any drug for that fact) that do include DEATH or serious debilitation. The odds are definitely similar to who will have a serious reaction to the vaccine and who will have a serious reaction to COVID.

This woman is INFORMED on the risks and benefits and has EVERY RIGHT to question and to say she will not vaccinate her family. I'm sick and tired of people claiming that vaccines or drugs are safe for EVERYONE. They are NOT. That is why we have informed consent (even though most people aren't given the information to make a true decision). NO ONE should be FORCED to have ANY medical procedure.
 
Tink242424

Tink242424

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zurj said:
All this talk about hoping the vaccine is safe? How safe are we talking here? Like 99.997% safe? Because that's about how safe it is for people 0-19 to just get the virus. Vaccines, especially new ones, have a much higher potential to be statistically more dangerous. But to be "deemed safe" (whatever that means) by our never-failing-all-wise-government, to benefit Big Pharma, whose companies can't be sued if their product destroys a child's life and yet stand to make billions if they just "deem it safe", doesn't sound 99.997% safe to me. How safe is safe enough for kids? Because it almost sounds safer to just let kids get the virus.

But then I guess the kids might spread the disease to the rest of the population who has only a 99.96% survival rate if they are under age 70. And what good is a kid if we can't unselfishly inject him with a brand new vaccine with no studies on long term impact in order to protect the rest of the population which consists of adults who have not only lived their lives, but can make the choice as to whether that 99.96% survival rate is worth risking in order to re-join this dirty, germ filled society.

Of course it's the 70+ crowd we must attempt to keep alive forever, and only 94.6% of those will survive this horrific disease. In England and Wales, the average age of death to this deadly virus was 82... 82!!!! and to think, many of those might have lived to see 83 one day! Many of those were taken too soon, and if you don't inject this vaccine with unknown consequence into your children, another 82 year old might die needlessly. Of course the average age of death from all other causes in England and Wales is 81, which I guess is a silver lining to those deniers out there who just so happen to not want fear of this deadly virus to dictate their actions.

Please, tell us again how crazy and selfish we are for wanting to avoid putting a new vaccine into our children's bodies because the government "deems it safe".

Call me crazy for not wanting to put strange stuff with unknown side affects into my kids body in order to keep that deadly virus away, but with 99.997% odds, I guess I'll just have to roll the dice.
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PREACH!!! Yes!! You are SO CORRECT even though others here will try to tell you that you are wrong.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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Tink242424 said:
WOW!! How condescending! There are DEFINITELY risks to taking a vaccine (or any drug for that fact) that do include DEATH or serious debilitation. The odds are definitely similar to who will have a serious reaction to the vaccine and who will have a serious reaction to COVID.

This woman is INFORMED on the risks and benefits and has EVERY RIGHT to question and to say she will not vaccinate her family. I'm sick and tired of people claiming that vaccines or drugs are safe for EVERYONE. They are NOT. That is why we have informed consent (even though most people aren't given the information to make a true decision). NO ONE should be FORCED to have ANY medical procedure.
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That’s right, the pediatrician is lying for reasons.
 
Miss Bella

Miss Bella

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GoofGoof said:
I’m not a moderator but I think the key here is the notation on the thread says “political discussion related to the thread topic”. This thread wasn’t moved to the politics section so not a green light for general political discussion. Just my interpretation.
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It's unfortunate the moderators decided to go that route.
 
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