Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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lazyboy97o

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I don't know if fear is the right word. Most aren't hunkered down in their house and not going out. Most are back to eating out and going back to doing what they like doing. Only difference is that they practice social distancing and wear masks. I don't call that living in fear. I am doing all the above but I have interest in traveling outside my country right noe. Its all has to do with how things aren't being handled in other places.
Fear itself is not inherently a negative. A lot of activities that are considered normal are rooted in a degree of fear. We wash our hands when cooking because we’re afraid of illnesses that can be transmitted if we do not. Social distancing and masks are a response to fear but that doesn’t make them irrational actions.
 

Miss Bella

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I think you missed my point. It isn’t ok for people to name call and I wish they wouldn’t. My point was, however, that people are put off by your communication style. But maybe you don’t care? If you are on message boards I would imagine you want to participate in an exchange of ideas. That activity is much easier if we aren’t talking past each other because of tone and tactic
Is exchanging ideas being condescending and lecturing them on their communication style?
 

Chi84

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Fear itself is not inherently a negative. A lot of activities that are considered normal are rooted in a degree of fear. We wash our hands when cooking because we’re afraid of illnesses that can be transmitted if we do not. Social distancing and masks are a response to fear but that doesn’t make them irrational actions.
The word fear tends to have a negative connotation, though. Much depends on context and here, unfortunately, some are using it to suggest that people are being cowardly rather than cautious.
 

Chomama

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The word fear tends to have a negative connotation, though. Much depends on context and here, unfortunately, some are using it to suggest that people are being cowardly rather than cautious.
Ah - fear and cowardice. Not the same thing and a very good observation ! Been trying to put my finger on that one. Thx
 

ToTBellHop

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That would increase their operating costs for really no reason...so what’s in it for them?

True...

But if you do “herd immunity” like “Senator Rand” talks about as an evil wizard (I gotta wonder what’s in the water in that state??)...
If you did 70% exposure...that’s a death count of 2.29 mil...

And it’s already too high...political nonsense aside.
10% of Americans have immunity. 200,000 have died. So to get to 70%, we could expect 1.2 million more deaths. That’s not hyperbole. It’s more than the number of Americans who have died in ANY war. But, masks are kinda annoying, so I guess it’s no big deal.
 
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Sirwalterraleigh

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10% of Americans have immunity. 200,000 have died. So to get to 70%, we could expect 1.2 million more deaths. That’s not hyperbole. It’s more than the number of Americans who have died in ANY war. But, masks are kinda annoying, so I guess it’s no big deal.
I shouldn’t encourage you....

But I have to admit I fell off my chair 😂
 
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Sirwalterraleigh

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Were comparing covid to standing in the middle of a highway. Now I've heard it all.
I know...what’s next?

Comparing to something invisible, easily transmitted, not well controlled, who randomly hurts people in unpredictable ways and patterns?

I mean...come on 😉

To be clear: I want to go for “my Disney!” Too. But that’s not wise...because the management is bad.

See what a ***** of all time we’re living in??

But what’s with the stupid analogies? The existence of this alone should have been way enough to get everyone in line. But it didn’t.

So because “we can’t close my economy”...you kept it closed for a lot longer than needed.

And “you can’t tell me what to do”...is going to keep public ordinances in place for a lot longer that anyone needed.

This is a cause and effect scenario
 
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DCBaker

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Numbers are out -

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SamusAranX

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It seems like every two weeks the numbers dip a bit, the plateau; lather rinse repeat. Forget flattening the curve, this a gentle and painstaking kneading of it o_O
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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It seems like every two weeks the numbers dip a bit, the plateau; lather rinse repeat. Forget flattening the curve, this a gentle and painstaking kneading of it o_O
That’s because of their idiotic reporting/data dumps.

There’s been no change. Not good enough heading into the fall.

So sing with me (tune is Carol of the Bells)
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..not good enough, ...not good enough ...not good enough...not good enough...not good enough
 

DisneyCane

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10% of Americans have immunity. 200,000 have died. So to get to 70%, we could expect 1.2 million more deaths. That’s not hyperbole. It’s more than the number of Americans who have died in ANY war. But, masks are kinda annoying, so I guess it’s no big deal.

Benghazi.
First, true herd immunity where the virus just goes away isn't going to ever happen without a very effective vaccine. Second, even if we go with your premise, the ratio will not remain constant of cases to deaths. First, treatment is improving. Most importantly, the data on who is most vulnerable (elderly) is very clear so the people in that age bracket know to protect themselves which they didn't know when this first started. Of course, we also know to do everything possible to keep it out of nursing homes which were the source of a lot of the deaths the first time through.
 

Miss Bella

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I know...what’s next?

Comparing to something invisible, easily transmitted, not well controlled, who randomly hurts people in unpredictable ways and patterns?

I mean...come on 😉

To be clear: I want to go for “my Disney!” Too. But that’s not wise...because the management is bad.

See what a ***** of all time we’re living in??

But what’s with the stupid analogies? The existence of this alone should have been way enough to get everyone in line. But it didn’t.

So because “we can’t close my economy”...you kept it closed for a lot longer than needed.

And “you can’t tell me what to do”...is going to keep public ordinances in place for a lot longer that anyone needed.

This is a cause and effect scenario
I have about a 99.9 percent chance of dying standing on a freeway.
 

Miss Bella

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Ok. I was trying to be genuine with you. I promise I am not being condescending. I was hoping to create space for a more open dialogue. I really don’t understand
That’s nice, but this is a discussion board where people are dug in on their sides. It doesn’t matter what verbiage or tone I use they are not going to like me, and honestly I don’t lose sleep over it.

Anyway I’m glad Florida has dropped the capacity restrictions. Hopefully other states are not far behind.
 

Touchdown

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Seems like a lot of people didn’t learn the point of Inside Out. Sadness (and Fear, Anger and Disgust) are as important human emotions as Joy.

I personally am Angry this pandemic has lasted this long, Sad so many people have been affected by it, Digusted some people still don’t think this is a big deal and we haven’t responded in a way I expected my country to. Because of all this of this I’ve have had to find Joy in places like Hyrule and the Mushroom Kingdom instead of Disney World to placate my other emotions.
 
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Ldno

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I think one of the problems with this situation is that people are looking for an easy answer, and that just does not exist. Dealing with the pandemic is crazy difficult. Remove to many restrictions and lots of people get sick and die. Put in place to many restrictions you risk economic devastation with all the problems that come with that. It takes an extraordinary level of leadership to walk the line between those two things.

So far, except for some weekends, the parks haven't been hitting their very reduced capacity. Disney keeps expanding the AP bucket and the CM bucket because there are precious few guests staying at the resorts. And then even with that, they aren't hitting max (very reduced) capacity.

International visitors can't come here because their countries won't allow them to go a known hotspot: The USA.

States with a huge tourism population that goes to Florida, namely, the Northeastern states, tell their people don't go to hotspots in the US, and if you do, you have to quarantine for two weeks when you come back. And one of those named hotspots? Florida.

And given Florida's bad reputation for managing COVID, especially with the news the governor is making, wanting a bill of rights for student to get COVID if they want, even if the states didn't discourage travel to Florida, most people won't go. The NE knows what COVID is like when it gets bad. Hardly anyone wants to be part of that in another state.

In the NE things are opening up... and people aren't showing up... they don't want to take the risk. They ain't going to Florida where the positivity rate is five times higher.

Unless Floridians residents step up a lot more than they're already doing... there are no other guests to attend WDW.

I concur 100% on this. Reading an article regarding cities cutting back on police funding also saw this:

“The coronavirus has left them in dire financial shape; early on in the pandemic, the mayor of Phoenix, Arizona, which will fall $26 million short this year, told Vox that the Covid-19 recession “feels like falling off a cliff.”

And other cities are faring far worse. New Orleans has forecast between $130 million and $170 million in losses. Boston is planning on $65 million in revenue losses for the next year. States are in just as much danger; Florida can expect a shortfall of $16 billion to $23 billion in the next three fiscal years; California has a $54 billion deficit

It’s an interesting take on how desperate they need tourism to work to increase their shortfalls like Danlb_2000 you have walk an extremely fine line between both sides but I can see it coming full circle on both sides of the argument.

Us too....we have no financially or logistical reason NOT to go.
- no state quarantines here
- driving distance
- virtual school
-AP
- more Marriott points than we know what to do with
I was considering driving down and having kids do virtual school until lunch and the. Play in the parks in the afternoon. Was actually looking at booking it yesterday. Then Desantis came out. Totally changed our minds. I realize wdw will keep their restrictions but the gas stations and hotels and restaurants around there? Forget it. It was already bad in July. Also I imagine this is going to make front of line CMs very stressed and have a lot more difficulty with mask enforcement. And I don’t want to be around a bunch of adults acting like toddlers trying to get away with breaking the rules on the side. I can do that at Walmart

I wouldn’t risk it either, this opened up a can of worms in Orlando, they are saying nothing’s changed but businesses are not like hold up the governor said so:

The problem is nobody can. There is strong anecdotal evidence that people suffer long term effects even after "recovering". Until there is more science around this it is better to be cautious.

Covid shaming is a real thing, if you get it, survive, people will treat you like garbage and sub humane. I saw an article about how survivors are just getting singled out all together, then my step daughter’s family got the virus and they were in quarantine and survived and you can tell everyone around them does not want to do anything with them, heck, I don’t even interact with my step daughter that much anymore like giving her hugs and her mom will still blame step mom(she was the one who infected the family) About it, it’s ugly. So if you survive it’s a horrible stigma, no to mention the fact that everyone around the people who got sick will be paranoid into thinking it’s covid but luckily everyone here tested negative for the time being. But the step mom is just a mean person, i mean granted she infected her sisters and mom and was like “oh sorry” i forgot I had the virus, like nothing happened.

Now you have to worry about the psychological effects of surviving all together and it’s sad people will find someway to bully them, it’s full circle now and it sucks.
 
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