Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[_caleb]

@Tink242424 what's so funny?

Some posters use the laughing response to mock those they disagree with. Don’t let it get to you.

 

[lazyboy97o]

And this is exactly my point. Contact tracing, especially with apps, will NEVER fly here in our country.

I’m switching to Android!

 

[MisterPenguin]

@Tink242424 what's so funny?

Let me check the DSM-V for "inappropriate laughter"...

 

[Miss Bella]

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@Tink242424 what's so funny?

It's their immature way of saying they disagree. They never learned to use their words.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

for some of us who have been paying attention we will ask the question, "is water wet?"

But for others here is your confirmation ( I have added 2 sources for the "hAhAhA cNn" crowd)

Updated CDC guidance acknowledges coronavirus can spread through the air

The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention updated guidance on its website to say coronavirus can commonly spread "through respiratory droplets or small particles, such as those in aerosols," which are produced even when a person breathes.

www.cnn.com

CDC deletes coronavirus airborne transmission guidance, says update was 'draft version'

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention issued a correction on its website Monday, saying a draft of proposed changes, including guidance on airborne transmission of coronavirus, was posted in error.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Parker in NYC]

for some of us who have been paying attention we will ask the question, "is water wet?"

But for others here is your confirmation

CDC warns coronavirus could spread through air and travel beyond six feet, later walks back guidance

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention warned that Covid-19 could spread through airborne particles that can remain suspended in the air and travel beyond six feet, but later walked the guidance back.

www.cnbc.com

CDC deletes coronavirus airborne transmission guidance, says update was 'draft version'

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention issued a correction on its website Monday, saying a draft of proposed changes, including guidance on airborne transmission of coronavirus, was posted in error.

www.foxnews.com

Let me see the data on this. Unproven. Biased. Who actually wrote this and where do their allegiances lie? The CDC is corrupt. The CDC was wrong from the beginning. Why believe them now?*

I thought I’d say it before anyone else does.

*sarcasm

 

[SamusAranX]

for some of us who have been paying attention we will ask the question, "is water wet?"

But for others here is your confirmation ( I have added 2 sources for the "hAhAhA cNn/nBc" crowd)

Updated CDC guidance acknowledges coronavirus can spread through the air

The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention updated guidance on its website to say coronavirus can commonly spread "through respiratory droplets or small particles, such as those in aerosols," which are produced even when a person breathes.

www.cnn.com

CDC deletes coronavirus airborne transmission guidance, says update was 'draft version'

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention issued a correction on its website Monday, saying a draft of proposed changes, including guidance on airborne transmission of coronavirus, was posted in error.

www.foxnews.com

Kind of agree with you there, not sure how this news.

I've been avoiding indoor dining for exactly this reason

EDIT: also, as an aside, kind of makes a mockery of the whole 6 ft apart rule even outdoors, if the virus can travel further as the articles outline.

 

[Andrew C]

for some of us who have been paying attention we will ask the question, "is water wet?"

But for others here is your confirmation ( I have added 2 sources for the "hAhAhA cNn/nBc" crowd)

CDC warns coronavirus could spread through air and travel beyond six feet, later walks back guidance

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention warned that Covid-19 could spread through airborne particles that can remain suspended in the air and travel beyond six feet, but later walked the guidance back.

www.cnbc.com

CDC deletes coronavirus airborne transmission guidance, says update was 'draft version'

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention issued a correction on its website Monday, saying a draft of proposed changes, including guidance on airborne transmission of coronavirus, was posted in error.

www.foxnews.com

Sometimes it is nice to just post an article without a cheap shot at a straw man.

 

[Andrew C]

EDIT: also, as an aside, kind of makes a mockery of the whole 6 ft apart rule even outdoors, if the virus can travel further as the articles outline.

It says it can travel further. Which I never really doubted personally. But it doesn’t say how often this occurs. I imagine that is harder to say. I’m not sure how this updated guidance changes anything for the average person.

 

[King Capybara 77]

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It's their immature way of saying they disagree. They never learned to use their words.

Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: [39] But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Sometimes it is nice to just post an article without a cheap shot at a straw man.

Literally every time a CNN article is posted someone points out that its CNN so its probably fake news.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

It says it can travel further. Which I never really doubted personally. But it doesn’t say how often this occurs. I imagine that is harder to say. I’m not sure how this updated guidance changes anything for the average person.

Without sounding too political, I think (hope) the CDC is starting to realize the politicalization is not helping their credit. Ive noticed a pattern of reality coming out directly from the CDC over the last few weeks (Vaccine info, masks, and now this) a major shift in tone from what we have been witnessing over the last few months.

 

[Andrew C]

Literally every time a CNN article is posted someone points out that its CNN so its probably fake news.

for some of us who have been paying attention we will ask the question, "is water wet?"

But for others here is your confirmation

Sometimes it is nice to just post an article without a cheap shot at a straw man.

 

[Horizons '83]

It says it can travel further. Which I never really doubted personally. But it doesn’t say how often this occurs. I imagine that is harder to say. I’m not sure how this updated guidance changes anything for the average person.

That is my thinking as well. If you were assuming risk by eating indoors anyway, this really doesn't change that risk tolerance. I have started eating indoors because well, its typically empty and the patios are typically full, so yes I am taking on a certain level of risk but at a certain point I don't think patios are much safer when packed in.

 

[DCBaker]

Numbers are out -

 

[Andrew C]

Numbers are out -

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Less tests reported the last two days, yet the positivity rate remains below 5% anyways. Interesting.

 

[Chi84]

It says it can travel further. Which I never really doubted personally. But it doesn’t say how often this occurs. I imagine that is harder to say. I’m not sure how this updated guidance changes anything for the average person.

I don't think it does. Studies about how a virus is transmitted focus on the detectability of molecules at a certain distance or for a certain length of time. They don't address whether the amount of virus detectable at 10 feet away or 72 hours after someone touches something is sufficient to cause an infection. From what I've read, viral load is important - recent reports on face masks say they may protect the wearer by preventing them from getting enough of the virus to make them sick even when they are in close contact with an infected person.

 

[DisneyCane]

I don't think it does. Studies about how a virus is transmitted focus on the detectability of molecules at a certain distance or for a certain length of time. They don't address whether the amount of virus detectable at 10 feet away or 72 hours after someone touches something is sufficient to cause an infection. From what I've read, viral load is important - recent reports on face masks say they may protect the wearer by preventing them from getting enough of the virus to make them sick even when they are in close contact with an infected person.

They still don't know with certainty exactly how the flu is spread. The only way to really get that kind of specific info would be to somehow get healthy volunteers to be put into various environments with infected people and do a big study to figure out what it takes to actually transmit it.

Since nobody is going to volunteer for that, all they can really do is use hindsight studies to try and figure out how somebody was infected and what type of contact they were in with the person they likely got it from.

The six feet thing comes from historical best practices for airborne disease transmission. I was watching a Netflix documentary about the Challenger accident and while the astronauts were in the pre-mission quarantine, Christa McAuliffe was on a bicycle and told whoever was filming her to stay six feet away because she is in quarantine.

 

[Parker in NYC]

Whenever anyone accuses me of a strawman argument, I feel violated like so:

 

[wdisney9000]

Even with the short hours? I would think that with only 8 hrs per day of park time, that taking the hour or so wouldn't be worth the time. (Though DHS - Epcot is probably more like 30 minutes, including walking out of park, transiting, and walking into new park.)

We visit often so our park touring style isn't too heavily based on ride count. Strolling to Epcot for a few hours to get some food and adult beverages is a great way to end our day.

The walk from Boardwalk to HS is appx 15-20 minutes (and feels much shorter with a cold beer in hand for the journey), so we often head there in the evenings for dinner reservations or just to ride ToT and do some shopping.