Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[DCBaker]

"Universal Orlando has alerted the state that 5,400 furloughed employees won’t be back to work anytime soon as the recovery from the coronavirus pandemic is expected to stretch in 2021.

“Universal Orlando continues to experience unprecedented challenges with the economic effects likely to continue into next year,” Universal Orlando Resort’s Senior Vice President of Human Resources Scot LaFerte wrote in a letter to officials. “As a full recovery will take time, the Company has had to make very difficult decisions.”

LaFerte said he did not expect the furloughs to be permanent for the 5,389 Universal employees across multiple departments. Their furloughs began May 3 after Universal paid their wages for several weeks after the parks shut down March 16. The parks reopened in June but attendance has been kept down and many tourists have expressed fears of flying to Florida during the pandemic.

The furloughed Universal positions include 104 actors, 416 attraction attendants, 284 cashiers, 450 cooks and about 40 technicians who handle special effects, lighting and other show components."

5,400 Universal Orlando workers go on extended furlough; resort warns recovery could take until 2021

Universal Orlando has alerted the state that 5,400 furloughed employees won’t be back to work anytime soon as the recovery from the coronavirus pandemic is expected to stretch in 2021. &#8220…

www.orlandosentinel.com

 

[JoeCamel]

Man Trespassed From Disney World for Refusing to Wear a Mask

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Last line should be further up IMO
"The use of face coverings is not a substitute for physical distancing. "

 

[Andrew C]

CDC Director said this today:
"I’m not going to comment directly about the president, but I am going to comment as the CDC director that face masks, these face masks are the most important, powerful public health tool we have," Redfield said, holding a mask in his hand. "And I will continue to appeal for all Americans, all individuals in our country, to embrace these face coverings. I’ve said that if we did it for six, eight, 10, 12 weeks we'd bring this pandemic under control."
Here in Orange County, we have been under mask mandate for 3 months. So either this is under control here, or he's wrong. Opinions?
Also, he said this:
"I might even go so far as to say this face mask is more guaranteed to protect me against COVID than when I take a COVID vaccine, because the immunogenicity might be 70%, and if I don't get an immune response the vaccine’s not going to protect me. This face mask will."
Sounds like he expects the elusive vaccine will be less effective than measures we've had in place for a long time now. So much for being saved by the vaccine.

This is all sorts of confusing. I’m just gonna continue to wear my mask when I’m around people. And get a vaccine when I can. Geez.

 

[Chi84]

CDC Director said this today:
"I’m not going to comment directly about the president, but I am going to comment as the CDC director that face masks, these face masks are the most important, powerful public health tool we have," Redfield said, holding a mask in his hand. "And I will continue to appeal for all Americans, all individuals in our country, to embrace these face coverings. I’ve said that if we did it for six, eight, 10, 12 weeks we'd bring this pandemic under control."
Here in Orange County, we have been under mask mandate for 3 months. So either this is under control here, or he's wrong. Opinions?
Also, he said this:
"I might even go so far as to say this face mask is more guaranteed to protect me against COVID than when I take a COVID vaccine, because the immunogenicity might be 70%, and if I don't get an immune response the vaccine’s not going to protect me. This face mask will."
Sounds like he expects the elusive vaccine will be less effective than measures we've had in place for a long time now. So much for being saved by the vaccine.

I wouldn't read too much into this. Sounds to me like he's just desperate to get people to wear masks right now. Who knows what the message will be when a vaccine actually does come out.

Also, this appears to have been said during a question and answer session, where it's easy to misconstrue context and officials are less than meticulous in their wording. The WHO got itself into a whole lot of trouble under similar circumstances with its "asymptomatic spread" statement.

 

[easyrowrdw]

Man Trespassed From Disney World for Refusing to Wear a Mask

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This is a use of the word with which I'm unfamiliar. To trespass typically means to enter somewhere one is not allowed or to commit a moral offense. How is one trespassed? Does trespass actually mean both to enter and to exit? Is it like immigrate and emigrate, except it's spelled the same? Why wasn't he ejected or removed?

(This is obviously super important)

 

[lazyboy97o]

This is a use of the word with which I'm unfamiliar. To trespass typically means to enter somewhere one is not allowed or to commit a moral offense. How is one trespassed? Does trespass actually mean both to enter and to exit? Is it like immigrate and emigrate, except it's spelled the same? Why wasn't he ejected or removed?

(This is obviously super important)

It means a formal, legal ban that can result in prosecution if the trespassed person attempts to or does enter the property.

 

[Chi84]

This is a use of the word with which I'm unfamiliar. To trespass typically means to enter somewhere one is not allowed or to commit a moral offense. How is one trespassed? Does trespass actually mean both to enter and to exit? Is it like immigrate and emigrate, except it's spelled the same? Why wasn't he ejected or removed?

(This is obviously super important)

A person who enters property legally can become a trespasser by committing wrongful acts on the property. A person who enters property with permission but stays after he is told to leave also commits trespass. In modern usage, trespass can mean giving someone a legal notice warning that person against entering the property again. I assume that’s what is meant by saying Disney trespassed this person.

It seems he was ejected and then trespassed. Not a good day.

 

[Rich Brownn]

CDC Director said this today:
"I’m not going to comment directly about the president, but I am going to comment as the CDC director that face masks, these face masks are the most important, powerful public health tool we have," Redfield said, holding a mask in his hand. "And I will continue to appeal for all Americans, all individuals in our country, to embrace these face coverings. I’ve said that if we did it for six, eight, 10, 12 weeks we'd bring this pandemic under control."
Here in Orange County, we have been under mask mandate for 3 months. So either this is under control here, or he's wrong. Opinions?
Also, he said this:
"I might even go so far as to say this face mask is more guaranteed to protect me against COVID than when I take a COVID vaccine, because the immunogenicity might be 70%, and if I don't get an immune response the vaccine’s not going to protect me. This face mask will."
Sounds like he expects the elusive vaccine will be less effective than measures we've had in place for a long time now. So much for being saved by the vaccine.

Unfortunately, not everyone wears a mask, or even follows simple directions. Somehow a very simple health guideline became a rallying cry for "freedom"

 

[Chi84]

Got it. I just wish the CDC would tell us which things they say that are real, and which are just misconstrued context and shabby wording. Because there are millions of people who take everything the CDC says as gospel although they seem to change their story daily.
I mean, it's pretty clear he's saying we wouldn't have this pandemic - or it would be under control (maybe it is???) if we had mandatory masking for 6 to 12 weeks. Hello? That's been the case in virtually every population center in the country for the past 3 months.

I assume that's why @Andrew C and others are taking the position, correctly in my opinion, that we can't just mask our way out of this. There was a surge in my area because, even though people were wearing masks in public, they were also going to holiday celebrations, graduation parties, etc. where they were eating, drinking and socializing with people outside their immediate household.

 

[easyrowrdw]

Here's an article about the CDC Director's comments. https://www.yahoo.com/news/cdc-chie...ing-coronavirus-than-a-vaccine-173526486.html

The point he seems to be making is, “If I don’t get an immune response, the vaccine’s not going to protect me. This face mask will.”

There's also a link in that article to the New England Journal of Medicine regarding the potential impact of masks on immunity. "...universal masking could become a form of “variolation” that would generate immunity and thereby slow the spread of the virus in the United States and elsewhere, as we await a vaccine."

I thought that was interesting.

Unfortunately, not everyone wears a mask, or even follows simple directions.

Bingo. Just because there is a mandate doesn't mean it's being followed at all times or covers every situation. In particular, I've heard a number of officials note that social contact outside of public places is a big driver of infections recently. That isn't a situation that will be covered by a mandate.
Edit: What @Chi84 said haha

 

[Andrew C]

The point he seems to be making is, “If I don’t get an immune response, the vaccine’s not going to protect me. This face mask will.”

The mask isn’t supposed to protect you though while wearing it. It’s supposed to protect others from you. Thats what they have always said. That’s why I wear one. Y’all don’t want my germs.

 

[easyrowrdw]

It means a formal, legal ban that can result in prosecution if the trespassed person attempts to or does enter the property.

A person who enters property legally can become a trespasser by committing wrongful acts on the property. A person who enters property with permission but stays after he is told to leave also commits trespass. In modern usage, trespass can mean giving someone a legal notice warning that person against entering the property again. I assume that’s what is meant by saying Disney trespassed this person.

It seems he was ejected and then trespassed. Not a good day.

Thanks. That was what it seemed to mean in the context. I guess I've just never seen it used that way and couldn't find any definition that used it that way. I finally found one, but it's from New Zealand. Go figure.

 

[Andrew C]

Ok. No more mask talk from me.

 

[Chi84]

The mask isn’t supposed to protect you though while wearing it. It’s supposed to protect others from you. Thats what they have always said. That’s why I wear one. Y’all don’t want my germs.

Actually, current thinking is that it also protects the wearer. There was an article that made the rounds recently saying that even if you do get COVID, you may get a less severe case if you're wearing a mask. It has to do with the amount of virus you're exposed to.

 

[easyrowrdw]

Actually, current thinking is that it also protects the wearer. There was an article that made the rounds recently saying that even if you do get COVID, you may get a less severe case if you're wearing a mask. It has to do with the amount of virus you're exposed to.

I was just about to say the same thing. You beat me again.

 

[JoeCamel]

I’ve been out and about constantly for 3 months and seen virtually no one not complying. Except protestors on tv of course. There’s no way the one guy in Walmart wearing it below his nose is infecting everybody.

A lot is private gatherings. My neighbor has had more than 5 parties since this started, graduation etc. They have a pool so they are pool parties no masks required. Can't think of a better way to spread it to your closest friends than around the pool over drinks.

Oh, they are both leo so........

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I’ve been out and about constantly for 3 months and seen virtually no one not complying. Except protestors on tv of course. There’s no way the one guy in Walmart wearing it below his nose is infecting everybody.

People like my MIL who host hours-long poker games at their home and invite a guest who is on oxygen and thus cannot cover her nose with her mask though...

This literally just happened. And they're now all on quarantine because the guest who is on oxygen is awaiting test results. My BIL tested positive right after his wife started working at a dollar store in March (she's an absolute moron) and was in agony for more than two weeks with pain that moved throughout his body. They've all been having dinner together and hanging out for hours with no masks for the past two months. It'll be a MIRACLE if my MIL and her BF (both in their late 70s) don't contract the virus.

 

[FeelsSoGoodToBeBad]

I’ve been out and about constantly for 3 months and seen virtually no one not complying. Except protestors on tv of course. There’s no way the one guy in Walmart wearing it below his nose is infecting everybody.

Man, I wish I could say the same. Compliance is generally good in major retailers and larger towns and cities here, but in the smaller, more rural towns around me it is not as consistent.

 

[DisneyCane]

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Wherever The COVID Tracking Project is sourcing their test data from is not accurate. Even the Vice Mayor of Broward sent an email talking about how the rate in the county has been below 5% for over 14 days straight. The reason I point him out is that he is not inclined to do anything to make the State results look better than they are. His numbers come from the same state data that has the new case positive rate being under 6.5% every day for the past two weeks and the overall positive rate (including retests of known positives) has been below 9% every day.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

I know everyone wearing a mask is temporary but I think the norm will change for a long time in this country regarding wearing a mask. Pre covid lots of asian countries used masks all of the time, its something I and probably others have wondered "why?" I think people using masks post pandemic will be something no one really questions.