Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Tink242424]

Funny you read my post as an "attack," when I meant it more as a correction and call to acknowledge the gravity of the situation.

When I read through this thread, patterns emerge–the two major sides of the discussion, the sarcasm, the political comments. Have you noticed any patterns? My post was simply about noticing similar responses from @LUVMCO and @Andrew C, who both happen to have cruise ships as their avatars. Initially confused one for the other (BTW, I started a thread about mistaking members with similar avatars), but then posted the reminder that despite our positive thinking, lots of people are dying needlessly.

I'm not outraged. I just want good discussion done in good faith.

I'm always amazed at this sentiment when it is applied only to COVID. We have a lot of needless deaths and no one is up in arms about them?? The reality is that throughout human history plagues and other natural disasters have thinned our population. This is just a part of being human and living on this earth. The sad fact is that people die every day and sometimes from preventable causes. We need to just realize that we are going through a particularly bad pandemic right now and that is life. Just like if there was a war or a mini ice age or something else that is terrible on a world-wide level.

We should be celebrating the positives that happen as much as condemning the bad. As humans we need to remember the positive and have hope that we will come out of this on the other side because as much as the doom and gloomers want don't want to acknowledge - that the VAST MAJORITY of people that get COVID are just fine.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

My point was I don't see a lot of decisions being made on actual science, but that would be a discussion for another forum.

The problem with this issue is that they started with no knowledge...not decades or more of study to base response on.

In the postanalysis that will be clear...and that instead of putting their faith in the educated opinions of those that do understand science...they did what they want.

N.J. coronavirus travel advisory list drops 6 states. Quarantine list updated to 30 states and territories.

Travelers visiting New Jersey or residents returning from states on the list are asked to quarantine for 14 days upon arrival in New Jersey.

www.nj.com

Did they make that official? It’s been on deck for months and they were fair in giving all other “I know better” states time to figure it out. Faith not rewarded.

 

[sullyinMT]

Many don’t realize they are incorrect about science in most if not all debates.
Two sides to that rather large coin

My point was I don't see a lot of decisions being made on actual science, but that would be a discussion for another forum.

I could be wrong, but you’re both saying the same thing, no? Raw numbers are being taken to mean “truth,” while not being willing to adapt, retract, revise, or move on to new data.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

I love your honesty...now If chef would admit he’ll melt like the witch of the west if he can’t stalk lake buena vista everyday...we’d really be getting somewhere...

Did they extend out the cancellations? Figured they would soon...

Desantis is about to cancel my November trip to Orlando...any day now.

They did extend it out to December for all 4 ships. Different days to resume for all. Let’s see if those dates stay in place.

 

[Parker in NYC]

Did they make that official? It’s been on deck for months and they were fair in giving all other “I know better” states time to figure it out. Faith not rewarded.

South Jersey wins again.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I could be wrong, but you’re both saying the same thing, no? Raw numbers are being taken to mean “truth,” while not being willing to adapt, retract, revise, or move on to new data.

We probably are agreeing...but more on a logic level...

But All the deniers on this subject have been proven dead wrong. Proof racks up by the minute/hour.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

They did extend it out to December for all 4 ships. Different days to resume for all. Let’s see if those dates stay in place.

After the normal virus season starts? House covering the bets there

South Jersey wins again.

Woah...you don’t spend much time there, do you?

Or can you clarify the quip? (I’ll probably love it)

 

[willtravel]

Tour groups are way down or non existent this year, which definitely helps space things out. Our biggest problem in July was with the town of West Yellowstone shoving their heads in the sand and pretending all was normal knowing that people would file out and carry things elsewhere. We were there prior to Gov’s mask mandate, so I can’t speak to compliance now.

Was in West Yellowstone last week a couple times. Was the same as you described. But I think as far as masks, Jackson hole had the most compliance whether it be tourist or worker. Yellowstone, I did not worry about wearing a mask but it was 50/50 I would say. The rest of areas of Wyoming that we were in, less workers and more people walking in the doors wore face masks. Parts of Idaho we were in were pretty good both ways.

 

[Parker in NYC]

After the normal virus season starts? House covering the bets there

Woah...you don’t spend much time there, do you?

Or can you clarify the quip? (I’ll probably love it)

Most of the people I know who think the virus is a hoax - who hail from New Jersey - reside in South Jersey. But that's why stereotypes are possibly wrong, I suppose.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Was in West Yellowstone last week a couple times. Was the same as you described. But I think as far as masks, Jackson hole had the most compliance whether it be tourist or worker. Yellowstone, I did not worry about wearing a mask but it was 50/50 I would say. The rest of areas of Wyoming that we were in, less workers and more people walking in the doors wore face masks. Parts of Idaho we were in were pretty good both ways.

It’s almost like something was different Jackson hole?

Anyway...I’m sure it’s “nothing”

 

[Miss Bella]

My November cruise was just cancelled. I’m looking at a couple in February. One on the wonder and another on the magic.

My last cruise was on Royal in February. I'm looking at all cruise lines. The first one back in action has my business. My kids like the bigger ships with all the bells and whistles, but the Magic will always have my heart.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Most of the people I know who think the virus is a hoax - who hail from New Jersey - reside in South Jersey. But that's why stereotypes are possibly wrong, I suppose.

Oh right...yes.

But by that token - Murphy stuck it to them.

The “deny belt” is the Jersey shore...Monmouth, ocean, Atlantic, cape May...

 

[sullyinMT]

We probably are agreeing...but more on a logic level...

But All the deniers on this subject have been proven dead wrong. Proof racks up by the minute/hour.

It will likewise be interesting to see how quickly we agree on when we have reached endemic level, or better, where we can actually live with this virus. Not like now, but actually live.
COVID has been at the forefront for so long I wonder what percentage is awaiting complete eradication before declaring “victory.” In not, by any means, implicating you in that group by using your quote.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

My last cruise was on Royal in February. I'm looking at all cruise lines. The first one back in action has my business. My kids like the bigger ships with all the bells and whistles, but the Magic will always have my heart.

We’re booked for Europe on Royal in August of next year and probably will push that off...

Look at Disney - not my thing usually - out of New York in October instead

 

[willtravel]

It’s almost like something was different Jackson hole?

Anyway...I’m sure it’s “nothing”

Walking the streets of Jackson hole is kinda crowded at least from what I saw. We were there the week before Labor day. Not sure if that played into it. Tried to shop and said the hell with it. We went to a Mexican bar/grill and had an afternoon adult beverage and appetizer and then left the area. We had heard West Yellowstone the attitude towards masks was lax.

 

[Parker in NYC]

Oh right...yes.

But by that token - Murphy stuck it to them.

The “deny belt” is the Jersey shore...Monmouth, ocean, Atlantic, cape May...

I used to spend a week every August with a friend and his family in Cape May. Oh, it was a lovely summer home. Just random aside. I miss those days, they sold.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It will likewise be interesting to see how quickly we agree on when we have reached endemic level, or better, where we can actually live with this virus. Not like now, but actually live.
COVID has been at the forefront for so long I wonder what percentage is awaiting complete eradication before declaring “victory.” In not, by any means, implicating you in that group by using your quote.

That’s backwards...the “get back to livin” sect has delayed getting back to living by six months by being stupid...

Life is getting back to normal in most places where they just shut up and did the right thing.

Not in the Anglican world - except Canada.

 

[sullyinMT]

It’s almost like something was different Jackson hole?

Anyway...I’m sure it’s “nothing”

I think Jackson has the benefit of more international residents. A whole lot of the staff working any of the touristy spots there are working on Visa exchange programs from the old Eastern Bloc. There’s likely a healthier trust or fear of the government to enforce the rules built in to their behavior. In exchange, the tourists will comply based on example of the worker.
West Yellowstone, by contrast, is largely staffed by college kids “escaping” home for the summer months. Same behavior as, say, PCB or other college “hotspot”

 

[sullyinMT]

That’s backwards...the “get back to livin” sect has delayed getting back to living by six months by being stupid...

Life is getting back to normal in most places where they just shut up and did the right thing.

Not in the Anglican world - except Canada.

I expressed the same sentiment in a currently waiting to be approved post regarding cruises reopening. We really never shut down , and sure as crud didn’t do anything to prepare to reopen. Now, we’re stuck at the backside of a wave’s crest. And that’s no way to surf.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I think Jackson has the benefit of more international residents. A whole lot of the staff working any of the touristy spots there are working on Visa exchange programs from the old Eastern Bloc. There’s likely a healthier trust or fear of the government to enforce the rules built in to their behavior. In exchange, the tourists will comply based on example of the worker.
West Yellowstone, by contrast, is largely staffed by college kids “escaping” home for the summer months. Same behavior as, say, PCB or other college “hotspot”

I meant that more money typically means more intelligence equals better decisions...

But not always