Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[danlb_2000]

Here's how Macy's is handling the Thanksgiving Day Parade -

• The overall number of participants will be reduced by approximately 75%, splitting the remaining participants over two days;
• All participants will be appropriately socially distanced during performances and be required to wear face coverings and additional personal protective equipment depending on their role;
• Shifting to a television-broadcast-only production with staging for Parade elements focused solely in and around the Herald Square area of Midtown Manhattan
• The traditional 2.5-mile Parade route will not be utilized this year;
• No participant in the Parade will be under 18 years of age;
• Previously selected regional High School and College Marching Bands performances will be deferred to the 2021 Macy’s Parade, with locally based professional marching and musical ensembles taking musical duties in the lineup;
• Macy’s traditional Giant Balloon Inflation public event on Wednesday will not take place;
• Macy’s signature giant character balloons will be flown without the traditional 80-100 handlers and instead employ an innovative, specially rigged anchor vehicle framework of five specialty vehicles tested and approved by the NYCDOT and NYPD

Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade To Be Presented As NBC Television Special: No Parade Route, No Kids, Giant Balloons Tied To Special Vehicles – Update

UPDATE, with additional details A signature kick-off for the holiday season – the Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade – will go virtual this year, New York Mayor Bill de Blasio announced today, with the department store company confirming that the event will be drastically reduced in size, abandon...

deadline.com

Nice to see they are doing something. I think they realize how important events like this are for public morale.

 

[GimpYancIent]

You must be an executive. Your presentation style is showing.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Those numbers still are simply not good enough. Just aren’t. From Disney’s perspective: this is going nowhere, fast.

Does this map show average daily new cases or active cases? And unless my geographic knowledge of Florida is completely wrong, what's going on in those hotspots? They don't appear to be any of the major cities.

I have a theory...but nobody wants to hear it

Those hotspots in the panhandle missed most of the first so they got complacent and stopped doing what works (if they ever did). Very red area

That’s being kind. I don’t think “complacent” is the right word...I think “defiance” is better.

It's cases per 100,000 people in the past week (by county). Areas outside of major cities will have less population, so it will take fewer case to move them up in color.

Which is why they shouldn’t be red: distance with minimal efforts should be far more effective than crowded streets and subways...right?

Flip side is that being so rural and spread out, they should have stayed low in cases per capita. And since that's not the case, it's a sign of just how little caution those areas are taking.

Yep. $200 to the winner!

Party schools - FSU and UF. That is where some of the damage is done.

Every single school is a “party” school...as anyone who spent time locked in a 50,000 person compound of one age category can attest...

All the attention in the late summer was on grade schools and taking things home to grandma. And that scares everyone.

But perhaps the financially driven push to open colleges is what ends up costing us all a year in the end??

 

[DisneyDebRob]

People are presented with their own set of facts. What media and information that is presented to me differs from what is shown to you. It’s been happening for years now and we lose objectively. Lose the willingness to absorb information from the other “side”..whatever that other side is. It’s manipulation. But I digress.... lol.

Agree with most of your post except for the first line. There usually is only one truth.. and in most cases, I say most, one fact. People take variations on that fact, find something that might be able to be disputed to fit whatever agenda they may have, then run with that. If it’s proven earth is round, some will look at the data, find something they say is a loophole, like well we are walking on a flat surface so it can’t be round, then run with that and find other things to give their point more credence. Now throw in the fake news hysteria, government conspiracies, etc and now nothing can be a fact. It’s tough but now I digress.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Never said I was doing that. Bottom line is there are people who aren't going to do the research and will just latch on to whatever it is that fits their view.

For many people, "research" is a Google search, which uses an algorithm that is designed to find you the results you want, not to filter the most applicable information, much less weigh the quality of the evidence.

And to be blunt... the majority of people simply don't have the academic training or work experience for this. No matter how smart someone legitimately is, most people simply don't have the required science background to even begin to make sense of all the relevant issues.

 

[DCBaker]

“Six months ago California’s amusement parks and attractions made the difficult decision to close voluntarily in response to COVID — and the impacts have been devastating,” Guerrero said in the statement. “Tens of thousands of jobs have been weighing in the balance. Hundreds of millions of tax revenue that support critical local, state, and federal programs, lost. And local businesses that rely on amusement parks continue to struggle, with many closing permanently.”

“Over those six months, parks crafted detailed plans to reopen — they include capacity reductions, face covering requirements, robust health and safety protocols for both guests and employees, and significant modifications to support physical distancing,” Guerrero said in the statement. “These practices will promote health and safety in ways that many activities Californians are currently engaging in won’t. However, in order to reopen, parks require guidance from the state and that guidance has not been forthcoming.”

Disney and Universal call on Newsom to reopen California theme parks

The Sacramento-based California Attractions and Parks Association represents Disneyland, Universal Studios, Knott’s Berry Farm, Six Flags Magic Mountain, SeaWorld San Diego, Legoland California, Si…

www.ocregister.com

 

[Miss Bella]

Never said I was doing that. Bottom line is there are people who aren't going to do the research and will just latch on to whatever it is that fits their view.

Your view has to come from somewhere or some type of research I would assume.

 

[Miss Bella]

For many people, "research" is a Google search, which uses an algorithm that is designed to find you the results you want, not to filter the most applicable information, much less weigh the quality of the evidence.

And to be blunt... the majority of people simply don't have the academic training or work experience for this. No matter how smart someone legitimately is, most people simply don't have the required science background to even begin to make sense of all the relevant issues.

...and some people are smart enough to realize this insnt all about science.

 

[DCBaker]

Some good news for HHN fans at Universal -

 

[Communicora]

Some good news for HHN fans at Universal -

Please scream inside your heart.

 

[GoofGoof]

I couldn’t disagree more strongly. With COVID occupying every corner of our lives, it’s vital to read critically every bit of information that’s being put out there. I believe it’s important to examine studies and reports to uncover any underlying biases and to determine whether the data and reasoning support the conclusions being drawn. It may be annoying or inconvenient when doing so goes against what you believe, but it’s the responsible thing to do.

I suspect you were just expressing frustration with the anti-mask folks, but putting the words studies and proof in quotes strikes me as dangerous.

I put studies and proof in quotes because for a lot of people they won’t accept them anyway. I never said people shouldn’t read information critically, actually I was saying the exact opposite. My point is that for a lot of people it doesn‘t matter. If the expert opinion goes against what they believe then the expert is attacked (Fauci as a good example). Just a few pages back we heard how expert opinion isn’t good enough there needs to be studies. Then a few pages later a study is mentioned but that’s invalid because it’s not big enough or detailed enough. My point stands. Everyone is dug in and nobody wants to change their minds. It Is what it is and like I said a few pages back people can certainly feel free to debate this and try to change people’s minds but it’s unlikely to happen.

My frustration stems from the fact that I believe we could have done a much better job handling this pandemic. I believe if we did my kids would be in school right now instead of doing virtual learning. I believe that WDW would be more open than it is right now and maybe even turning a profit. I also believe that the constant attempt to downplay statistics, play politics and point to things like surges in Europe or lack of definitive studies on masks as reasons to do less or loosen requirements (because the virus would run its course no matter what) has contributed to our poor handling. If everyone got on board and did what needed to be done we’d be much better off. That’s where I’m coming from. I also understand from 6 months of posting here that some people don‘t agree with most or any of that. I accept that and we can agree to disagree.

 

[GoofGoof]

People are dig in on both sides of the argument not just on one side. It really is a pointless argument that just leads to a lot of flame throwing.

Yes, agreed. On both sides.

 

[Andrew C]

US two week case trend.

 

[hopemax]

I put studies and proof in quotes because for a lot of people they won’t accept them anyway. I never said people shouldn’t read information critically, actually I was saying the exact opposite. My point is that for a lot of people it doesn‘t matter. If the expert opinion goes against what they believe then the expert is attacked (Fauci as a good example). Just a few pages back we heard how expert opinion isn’t good enough there needs to be studies. Then a few pages later a study is mentioned but that’s invalid because it’s not big enough or detailed enough. My point stands. Everyone is dug in and nobody wants to change their minds. It Is what it is and like I said a few pages back people can certainly feel free to debate this and try to change people’s minds but it’s unlikely to happen.

My frustration stems from the fact that I believe we could have done a much better job handling this pandemic. I believe if we did my kids would be in school right now instead of doing virtual learning. I believe that WDW would be more open than it is right now and maybe even turning a profit. I also believe that the constant attempt to downplay statistics, play politics and point to things like surges in Europe or lack of definitive studies on masks as reasons to do less or loosen requirements (because the virus would run its course no matter what) has contributed to our poor handling. If everyone got on board and did what needed to be done we’d be much better off. That’s where I’m coming from. I also understand from 6 months of posting here that some people don‘t agree with most or any of that. I accept that and we can agree to disagree.

For me, it's the several epidemiologists, virologists, infectious disease experts have a consensus opinion among their disciplines. A single radiologist, physicist, chemist, mathematician, stats person, etc. comes up with an alternative opinion and then all the rallying around that opinion. The specialists point out the flaws in assumptions, methodology, etc and.it.does.not.matter. Sure, sometimes a person from another discipline can come up with a unique approach or perspective that has legitimate value. But those ideas are subject to same sort of rigorous review as any other scientific idea and the process and time reveals these. Instead people want us to drop everything and accept those ideas without anything but their original presentation, and then doubles down by insisting that anyone who doesn't do that is being manipulated by the mass media, living in their basement in fear, and everything else. If it's a disagreeing opinion, the standard of proof is sky high, but if it aligns with this something where we can declare this over quickly, the standard of proof is so low.

 

[Miss Bella]

I put studies and proof in quotes because for a lot of people they won’t accept them anyway. I never said people shouldn’t read information critically, actually I was saying the exact opposite. My point is that for a lot of people it doesn‘t matter. If the expert opinion goes against what they believe then the expert is attacked (Fauci as a good example). Just a few pages back we heard how expert opinion isn’t good enough there needs to be studies. Then a few pages later a study is mentioned but that’s invalid because it’s not big enough or detailed enough. My point stands. Everyone is dug in and nobody wants to change their minds. It Is what it is and like I said a few pages back people can certainly feel free to debate this and try to change people’s minds but it’s unlikely to happen.

My frustration stems from the fact that I believe we could have done a much better job handling this pandemic. I believe if we did my kids would be in school right now instead of doing virtual learning. I believe that WDW would be more open than it is right now and maybe even turning a profit. I also believe that the constant attempt to downplay statistics, play politics and point to things like surges in Europe or lack of definitive studies on masks as reasons to do less or loosen requirements (because the virus would run its course no matter what) has contributed to our poor handling. If everyone got on board and did what needed to be done we’d be much better off. That’s where I’m coming from. I also understand from 6 months of posting here that some people don‘t agree with most or any of that. I accept that and we can agree to disagree.

There are a lot reasons people on both sides don’t like Fauci. Not even all the experts agree with him.

 

[hopemax]

US two week case trend.
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And for all the good trends, we still have away to go before the caseload is below what it was on Memorial Day. This is why I still fear the stair steps profile. People are already tired of the virus again. How much is behavior slipping? When does the curve shallow out?

 

[Andrew C]

People are already tired of the virus again.

We are about 6 months in now. I would say that should be expected. At the moment, I’m happy the downward trend continues. Less cases, less hospitalizations, less deaths. We will see...Im hoping for the baseline to go well below May’s baseline.

 

[ABQ]

And for all the good trends, we still have away to go before the caseload is below what it was on Memorial Day. This is why I still fear the stair steps profile. People are already tired of the virus again. How much is behavior slipping? When does the curve shallow out?

I'd like to see someone pull in the data from pre-Memorial Day to see how much testing was being done then though. Sure, the cases were lower, but if only 20% of the daily testing we do now was being done then, the case count was a bit suspect.

 

[Miss Bella]

We are about 6 months in now. I would say that should be expected. At the moment, I’m happy the downward trend continues. Less cases, less hospitalizations, less deaths. We will see...Im hoping for the baseline to go well below May’s baseline.

Parkland Closes COVID-19 Unit Due to Recent Drop in Numbers

Parkland Hospital converted its surgical space into the main hub where doctors and nurses took care of critically ill COVID-19 patients in March.

www.nbcdfw.com

You would think stories like this would be celebrated on this forum, but they are not. I wonder why that is?

 

[Andrew C]

Parkland Closes COVID-19 Unit Due to Recent Drop in Numbers

Parkland Hospital converted its surgical space into the main hub where doctors and nurses took care of critically ill COVID-19 patients in March.

www.nbcdfw.com

Makes sense. Hospitalizations in Texas continue to fall from its 11k peak.