Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Chi84

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A good article on multiple fronts from twice as many people have caught Covid from dining out the prior 2 weeks... Fauci’s latest comments about going to the movies.. a citizen is dying every 2 and a half minutes in the US to other things.

I read the article on the CDC study, and it really is very limited. The study involved only 314 people and didn’t distinguish between indoor and outdoor dining or consider the precautions in place at the restaurants. It’s unclear to me whether the study excluded people who also visited bars. There was a suggestion that people who dine at restaurants these days are more likely to be out and about in places other than restaurants.

The study is valuable information, but I don’t think people should just conclude from it that they’re twice as likely to get COVID if they go out to eat. There are so many other factors involved.
 

Lilofan

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A good article on multiple fronts from twice as many people have caught Covid from dining out the prior 2 weeks... Fauci’s latest comments about going to the movies.. a citizen is dying every 2 and a half minutes in the US to other things.

Social distancing for drunks to follow, good luck with that.
 

DisneyDebRob

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I read the article on the CDC study, and it really is very limited. The study involved only 314 people and didn’t distinguish between indoor and outdoor dining or consider the precautions in place at the restaurants. It’s unclear to me whether the study excluded people who also visited bars. There was a suggestion that people who dine at restaurants these days are more likely to be out and about in places other than restaurants.

The study is valuable information, but I don’t think people should just conclude from it that they’re twice as likely to get COVID if they go out to eat. There are so many other factors involved.
Agreed. I think it’s exactly what you said. Out eating more brings you in contact more with others. Not just eating but wherever else you might be. Still could be something to it.
Need to study it more to find out what it could be.
 

DCBaker

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Numbers are out -

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GimpYancIent

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Agreed. I think it’s exactly what you said. Out eating more brings you in contact more with others. Not just eating but wherever else you might be. Still could be something to it.
Need to study it more to find out what it could be.
The scientific logic and reasoning is inescapable. Need more people to go out and eat more often in order to have a larger more diverse group to study and obtain data from. Science is a wonderful thing. So lets follow the science.
 

Horizons '83

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Cases continue to decline throughout the US. What other path should we choose as a country at this point?
I wish I had that answer, but while they are going down now, its inevitable that they will rise in the Fall/Winter, particularly with colleges back in session. My nephew got the vid in his 2 week at FSU, but he still decided to go party the next night with his other 5 positive friends. :banghead:
 

SamusAranX

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Cases continue to decline throughout the US. What other path should we choose as a country at this point?

Dammit, you beat me to it.
If Europe is spiking with similar measures in place (and let’s face it, They are better self enforced and government enforced then the US) now what.
 
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DCBaker

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"Aulani Resort remains closed and a reopening date has not been identified. We will continue to follow guidelines from government and health officials as we plan our reopening.

As a result, reservations at the resort through Oct. 17 will be cancelled. We understand that some guests may have reservations booked at Aulani Resort during this time. We encourage you to contact these guests to determine a future date for their vacations. For stays occurring during the closure period, room reservations can be cancelled and Disney will waive Disney-imposed room reservation cancellation penalties."

 

GoofGoof

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Dammit, you beat me to it.
If Europe is spiking with similar measures in place (and let’s face it, They are better self enforced and government enforced then the US) now what.
Let’s not over state the situation in Europe. The nations covered by that article have a population that’s roughly 1.5X the US so if you adjust for population size the number of new cases is still only 2/3 of what we have seen in the US. Taking it a step further to specific countries identified as being the heart of their outbreak, France had 10,000 new cases in a day (67M people) so roughly 149 cases per million people. Spain had 4,137 daily cases (47M people) so 88 cases per million and Italy had 1,600 daily case (60M people) so 27 cases per million. FL had 3,731 new cases today (21M people) 179 cases per million people. So while we “celebrate” FL’s case numbers coming down and use it as a trigger to start re-opening bars the cases per million are still higher than any of the European countries experiencing a “huge spike” in cases. What are those countries doing? Not opening more stuff, but adding restrictions. Italy and Spain closed nightclubs and mandated masks, a move France made recently too. The point of all this is the headline is a bit deceiving and you always have to look at areas from a population size perspective.
 

mmascari

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An unexpected upswing in positive tests at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign showed how even the most comprehensive approaches to limiting the virus’s spread can break down.
I read this far, and my immediate thought was that even though they had a good plan, the surrounding community probably still high a high transmission rate. That mingling between the university and the community was defeating the plan.​
Then, I got to this part.....​
Enough students continued to go to parties even after testing positive, showing how even the best thought-out plans to keep college education moving can fail when humans do not heed common sense or the commands from public health officials.
I'm not even sure what to think here. We shouldn't need to arrest people and force quarantine when they are infectious. But, this isn't the first, and likely not the last, story about infectious people ignoring quarantine restrictions and causing infections.

The vaccine itself shouldn't really have an impact on the restrictions, it should still be based on the statistics we are currently using, case count, death rate, positivity rate, etc. The vaccine is just one more tool to help reduce these numbers.
Which is also why we don't need a vaccine to improve conditions. All the metrics measure the community spread currently going on, and we're taking actions to reduce or eliminate community spread.

The obvious first way to do this is find all the infected people and contain them so they cannot infect anyone else.

The opposite way is to vaccinate everyone so that if they come in contact with an infectious person, they do not catch the infection.

Either one reduces community spread by reducing interactions between infected people and people who can be infected.
Positive news out of Texas but still lots of work left..

I feel like our bar for "positive" is getting low. They went from 24.5% down to 7.58% positivity. Yes it's an improvement, but it's still completely blind to how community spread is happening. It's like a lifeguard at an indoor pool with no windows or lights, completely in the dark unable to see flailing swimmers. Now they have candle and can see a few feet right next to them, but largely still have no idea what's going on. Let's see it get below 1%.


Cases continue to decline throughout the US. What other path should we choose as a country at this point?
We should choose to accelerate the decline, get it under control and contain it. We probably will not do that though, instead will flatten out at some ongoing rate where we've slowed the spread but are not containing it. A strategy where we grow numb to hundreds or thousands of deaths every week. Where we also adjust to the new normal, a new normal that doesn't support the current economy we have in place. The transition to a new one that works with the new normal is going to be rough.

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danlb_2000

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Which is also why we don't need a vaccine to improve conditions. All the metrics measure the community spread currently going on, and we're taking actions to reduce or eliminate community spread

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We may not need one, but it can help. Unless we get a really effective vaccine, it will take a combination of things to get through this.
 

danlb_2000

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We should choose to accelerate the decline, get it under control and contain it. We probably will not do that though, instead will flatten out at some ongoing rate where we've slowed the spread but are not containing it. A strategy where we grow numb to hundreds or thousands of deaths every week. Where we also adjust to the new normal, a new normal that doesn't support the current economy we have in place. The transition to a new one that works with the new normal is going to be rough.

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I don't think there would ever be a transition to a new economy. If nothing ends up working to get the virus under control people would just end up eventually accepting it as disease we have to live with just like the flu.
 
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