Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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mmascari

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I think his point was, if NYC sees a spike after limited reopening of indoor dining do they:

A. Walk it back but send restaurants to ruin as outdoor dining is not viable up north in the late fall/winter
B. Keep the course and let the spike continue

Heads they lose, tails they lose. Neither scenario is not going to be without it's critics.
C. Continue to ramp up contact tracing and rapid testing. Isolating infected people so there is no spike and the risk of going to a restaurant is low because there is so little community spread. Which means no spike occurs.

If they see a spike, it means they've let up on containment efforts. Alternatively, they've imported lots of people from areas that still have high community spread and overwhelmed their containment efforts.
 

DisneyDebRob

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I would have thought everyone would support an ending to this ASAP but it seemed that some people were almost giddy over the setback of the Oxford Group vaccine trial. I can’t figure out what goes through some people’s minds. I’ve given up trying.
Usually we are in step with most things but I do question the giddy statement over a setback for a vaccine? I may have missed those posts and if I did, sorry for questioning you on it. I have not seen one that I took that way. Like I said, might have missed it. If it did happen, well then I really don’t understand some here.
 

oceanbreeze77

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I hope so as well, but everything I have seen (granted I'm limited in knowledge) points to indoor dining as a ideal way for spread, even with limited capacity. I have only risked it twice since May, and I just don't feel right dining inside right now, whether that's Florida or NY
I wonder if we will see more workplaces transition back to work from home for the winter. I know a lot of people are already doing that, but a decent number of people went back to office/work spaces.
 

oceanbreeze77

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Here is a very interesting study

I know a ton of people who got really sick around this time (myself included) and are having some of the "long haul" symptoms now. I'm In Santa Monica and use UCLA Health myself, I just have to wonder....

 

wendysue

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I hope so as well, but everything I have seen (granted I'm limited in knowledge) points to indoor dining as a ideal way for spread, even with limited capacity. I have only risked it twice since May, and I just don't feel right dining inside right now, whether that's Florida or NY
We have gone to a couple restaurants that had outdoor dining a few times, but once it gets colder out, we will just go back to strictly cooking at home. :(.
 

DCBaker

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"The state will allow bars to reopen at 50 percent capacity starting Monday, Florida’s top business regulator announced on social media late Thursday.

Executive Order 20-09, which forced standalone bars and breweries to shut down earlier this summer because of the coronavirus pandemic, has been rescinded, tweeted Department of Business and Professional Regulation Secretary Halsey Beshears."


 

Stitch826

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I'm going out on a limb and will assume that "everyone" wants this to end as quickly as possible. But because we've failed to keep the virus contained by quarantine and contact tracing, the only way we will likely get out of this mess is wide-spread vaccination.
So what exactly is the expectation regarding vaccination? Ideally a vaccine will be mass-produced and hopefully available in early 2021? Then what? Allow a couple months to give Americans the opportunity to get the vaccine if they desire? Then local and state governments will allow businesses (including Disney of course), churches, schools, sports teams, etc. to operate completely without restrictions regarding capacity, social distancing, or face masks? Is this the correct line of thinking here?
 

JoeCamel

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"The state will allow bars to reopen at 50 percent capacity starting Monday, Florida’s top business regulator announced on social media late Thursday.

Executive Order 20-09, which forced standalone bars and breweries to shut down earlier this summer because of the coronavirus pandemic, has been rescinded, tweeted Department of Business and Professional Regulation Secretary Halsey Beshears."


That is a very weird way to let those people know they can try to operate their businesses. I don't think it is time yet (no suggestion for their survival) but we move on and monitor the numbers.
 

GoofGoof

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"The state will allow bars to reopen at 50 percent capacity starting Monday, Florida’s top business regulator announced on social media late Thursday.

Executive Order 20-09, which forced standalone bars and breweries to shut down earlier this summer because of the coronavirus pandemic, has been rescinded, tweeted Department of Business and Professional Regulation Secretary Halsey Beshears."


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Andrew C

You know what's funny?
"The state will allow bars to reopen at 50 percent capacity starting Monday, Florida’s top business regulator announced on social media late Thursday.

Executive Order 20-09, which forced standalone bars and breweries to shut down earlier this summer because of the coronavirus pandemic, has been rescinded, tweeted Department of Business and Professional Regulation Secretary Halsey Beshears."


How long were they opened during the original reopening?
 

DCBaker

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"Ten former SeaWorld and Busch Gardens employees shared similar stories with the Tampa Bay Times. Furloughed since March, they learned of last week’s layoffs from headlines or social media, or after being blocked from employee accounts.

“An email or phone call would have been nice, but yeah, we didn’t get that,” said Sydney Harber, 25, of Tampa, another Sesame Street performer. “Most of us figured that we would all come back at some point, but we knew the parks weren’t doing that great. It was just a shock that, all of a sudden, there are news reports saying SeaWorld Parks and Entertainment is laying off (employees)."

"The day before the layoffs, SeaWorld sent employees another letter detailing, among other things, changes to the company’s severance policy, which was moving from a “fixed formula” to a “facts-and-circumstances based determination.” The new policy went into effect Sept. 2.

“They changed the policy two days before they fired me,” said Ernie Abrams, a theater tech who had been with SeaWorld Orlando for 31 years. “That’s not right. I know it’s legal, because Florida’s a right-to-work state. But it’s just not right.”

According to Abrams, the company’s prior severance had been a week’s pay for every year of employment, up to a certain number of weeks. Now, he said, the amount was at the company’s discretion. Instead of the months of pay he was expecting, he got four weeks."

 

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
"Ten former SeaWorld and Busch Gardens employees shared similar stories with the Tampa Bay Times. Furloughed since March, they learned of last week’s layoffs from headlines or social media, or after being blocked from employee accounts.

“An email or phone call would have been nice, but yeah, we didn’t get that,” said Sydney Harber, 25, of Tampa, another Sesame Street performer. “Most of us figured that we would all come back at some point, but we knew the parks weren’t doing that great. It was just a shock that, all of a sudden, there are news reports saying SeaWorld Parks and Entertainment is laying off (employees)."

"The day before the layoffs, SeaWorld sent employees another letter detailing, among other things, changes to the company’s severance policy, which was moving from a “fixed formula” to a “facts-and-circumstances based determination.” The new policy went into effect Sept. 2.

“They changed the policy two days before they fired me,” said Ernie Abrams, a theater tech who had been with SeaWorld Orlando for 31 years. “That’s not right. I know it’s legal, because Florida’s a right-to-work state. But it’s just not right.”

According to Abrams, the company’s prior severance had been a week’s pay for every year of employment, up to a certain number of weeks. Now, he said, the amount was at the company’s discretion. Instead of the months of pay he was expecting, he got four weeks."

Sounds like it was leaked before the employees where notified and the co was left scrambling. Severance seems kinda screwy though.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Sounds like it was leaked before the employees where notified and the co was left scrambling.
It looks bad, but we don’t know how bad things are at Sea World. Reducing severance may be necessary to save the jobs of the rest of the employees that weren’t let go. Terrible for the workers laid off, but it’s the lesser of 2 evils if the alternative is bankruptcy and/or shutting down. I have no idea how bad things are there but they definitely don’t have the balance sheet of Disney or Comcast to fall back on.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
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An unexpected upswing in positive tests at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign showed how even the most comprehensive approaches to limiting the virus’s spread can break down.
At the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, more than 40,000 students take tests twice a week for the coronavirus. They cannot enter campus buildings unless an app vouches that their test has come back negative. Everyone has to wear masks.
This is one of the most comprehensive plans by a major college to keep the virus under control. University scientists developed a quick, inexpensive saliva test. Other researchers put together a detailed computer model that suggested these measures would work, and that in-person instruction could go forward this fall.
But the predictive model included an oversight: It assumed that all of the students would do all of the things that they were told to.
Enough students continued to go to parties even after testing positive, showing how even the best thought-out plans to keep college education moving can fail when humans do not heed common sense or the commands from public health officials.
Last week, the university reported an unexpected upswing of coronavirus cases and imposed a lockdown. Students had to stay in their dorms or off-campus housing except for essential activities, which included going to class.

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Heppenheimer

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So what exactly is the expectation regarding vaccination? Ideally a vaccine will be mass-produced and hopefully available in early 2021? Then what? Allow a couple months to give Americans the opportunity to get the vaccine if they desire? Then local and state governments will allow businesses (including Disney of course), churches, schools, sports teams, etc. to operate completely without restrictions regarding capacity, social distancing, or face masks? Is this the correct line of thinking here?
We expect that wide-spread vaccination should lead to a sharp reduction in cases. The metric for gradually returning to normal should be, as it always should have been, reduced caseloads. I don't know what magic number we should aim for, but just to take a wild guess, maybe it should fall in the range for, lets say, the yearly total for measles.
 

Lilofan

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"Ten former SeaWorld and Busch Gardens employees shared similar stories with the Tampa Bay Times. Furloughed since March, they learned of last week’s layoffs from headlines or social media, or after being blocked from employee accounts.

“An email or phone call would have been nice, but yeah, we didn’t get that,” said Sydney Harber, 25, of Tampa, another Sesame Street performer. “Most of us figured that we would all come back at some point, but we knew the parks weren’t doing that great. It was just a shock that, all of a sudden, there are news reports saying SeaWorld Parks and Entertainment is laying off (employees)."

"The day before the layoffs, SeaWorld sent employees another letter detailing, among other things, changes to the company’s severance policy, which was moving from a “fixed formula” to a “facts-and-circumstances based determination.” The new policy went into effect Sept. 2.

“They changed the policy two days before they fired me,” said Ernie Abrams, a theater tech who had been with SeaWorld Orlando for 31 years. “That’s not right. I know it’s legal, because Florida’s a right-to-work state. But it’s just not right.”

According to Abrams, the company’s prior severance had been a week’s pay for every year of employment, up to a certain number of weeks. Now, he said, the amount was at the company’s discretion. Instead of the months of pay he was expecting, he got four weeks."

Wow that's harsh. 31 years of loyal service expecting 31 weeks severance and then changed to 4 weeks severance instead.
 
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