Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[oceanbreeze77]

I was confused about the no one bats an eye part.

At least that's less melodramatic that "no one really bats an eye".

Its true that "no one really bats an eye." The world came to a stand still when all those people died on 9/11 (again, rightfully so), and now thousands of people die from the virus in a week and instead of honoring them we argue about whether it was their comorbidities that killed them and why we do/dont need to worry about the death toll.

 

[danlb_2000]

I agree with this. I’ve said from the beginning that most of us want the same thing and most people just want all of This to end as quickly as possible...

There is some segment of the population that doesn't believe there is really a problem at all. Not sure how big that segment is.

 

[Phil12]

There is some segment of the population that doesn't believe there is really a problem at all. Not sure how big that segment is.

It's all part of the circle of life.

 

[HarperRose]

There is some segment of the population that doesn't believe there is really a problem at all. Not sure how big that segment is.

Too big, which is why this will never end.

 

[danlb_2000]

We've done an amazing job at keeping this virus contained, and the reality of what we are experiencing didn't come remotely close to the predictions.
Do you remember the predictions?
I do.
Do you remember when they said we would end up like Italy did?
I do.
Do you remember the hospital ship in NYC and hospital tent cities that fortunately never needed to be used?
I do.

We (the USA) are #10 in cases per capita, and #11 in deaths per capita, how exactly is that doing an amazing job?

 

[oceanbreeze77]

We are #10 in cases per capita, and #11 in deaths per capita, how exactly is that doing an amazing job?

and were not even close to the end of it...anything can happen.

 

[Andrew C]

Its true that "no one really bats an eye."

That’s quite a statement. I would say that Just practicing social distancing is batting an eye. Working on a vaccine should probably be considered batting an eye. And I imagine many bat an eye in private. I guess you were looking for something a bit different at the moment. Which is understandable.

 

[Andrew C]

There is some segment of the population that doesn't believe there is really a problem at all. Not sure how big that segment is.

There is always going to be a segment. But that doesn’t stop us from moving forward.

 

[danlb_2000]

What would your estimate be? Just wondering. Many people make blanket statements like that without really any facts, but I'd like to always encourage them to really consider what they are saying.

I know a couple of these people personally so it's a non-zero number. I also think it's larger then a "crackport fringe", but have no idea how big it really is.

 

[Phil12]

Second failed attempt at humor.

Well, then I succeeded if you took that as humor.

 

[Andrew C]

This 5% positivity rate plateau sort of feels like the 10% plateau the state experienced the other month. Wondering how long it will last...

 

[mmascari]

Second failed attempt at humor.

Well, then I succeeded if you took that as humor.

I enjoyed the first one, it had those extra details and matched my current dark humor mood relatively well.

It's all part of the circle of life.

This one felt like a miss.

Win some, lose some.

 

[SamusAranX]

How else do you expect the pandemic to end?

I'm stepping out of my field here, but per wikipedia:

A pandemic (from Greek πᾶν, pan, "all" and δῆμος, demos, "people") is an epidemicof an infectious disease that has spread across a large region, for instance multiple continents or worldwide, affecting a substantial number of people. A widespread endemic disease with a stable number of infected people is not a pandemic.

So going by the bolded and rest of the criteria, we do not need to have zero cases for the pandemic to end. We need a less then substantial number and things stabilized.

 

[SamusAranX]

Its true that "no one really bats an eye." The world came to a stand still when all those people died on 9/11 (again, rightfully so), and now thousands of people die from the virus in a week and instead of honoring them we argue about whether it was their comorbidities that killed them and why we do/dont need to worry about the death toll.

Unfortunately, i think it's a case of two things:

1. 9/11 was visceral to the max degree; nonstop coverage on even non-news channels for days on end with images, interviews, videos, and so on replaying constantly of the devastation and loss of life. That brands your mind when exposed to it. And thus, even if you didn't lose "anyone" in 9/11, you still feel personally affected.

2. Leading into that, conversely, for whatever reason, if you're not personally someone who got severely ill or had a loved one get very sick/lose their life over this, it's just "not in front of you" and therefore it isn't as visceral as a traumatic one time event as 9/11.

I wish I could put my finger on it, but I'm not a psychologist (brain expert thingy)

Doesn't mean it's okay to necessarily think that way; but we all do it with different causes of harm or death; for an example an estimated 1600+ people will die per day of cancer this year in the US; we often think of cancer victims, especially if personally affected, but no one can say that we "ignore" it or don't bat an eye when it's compared to an event like 9/11 or Pearl Harbor because we don't donate to charity, complete a 5k, hold a vigil, or scream "does anyone even care?' weekly on the news...

 

[Jrb1979]

Yep. NYC is never going to reopen.
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Its exactly the rules they have here for restaurants and so far have yet to see a rise in cases from it.

 

[SamusAranX]

Its exactly the rules they have here for restaurants and so far have yet to see a rise in cases from it.

I think his point was, if NYC sees a spike after limited reopening of indoor dining do they:

A. Walk it back but send restaurants to ruin as outdoor dining is not viable up north in the late fall/winter
B. Keep the course and let the spike continue

Heads they lose, tails they lose. Neither scenario is not going to be without it's critics.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

I think his point was, if NYC sees a spike after limited reopening of indoor dining do they:

A. Walk it back but send restaurants to ruin as outdoor dining is not viable up north in the late fall/winter
B. Keep the course and let the spike continue

Heads they lose, tails they lose. Neither scenario is not going to be without it's critics.

I think something to think about is weather. We are entering cold season. Dining al fresco won't be as friendly. The concern researchers have is people gathering inside with heaters. I hope theres no explosion of cases.

 

[GoofGoof]

I'm going out on a limb and will assume that "everyone" wants this to end as quickly as possible. But because we've failed to keep the virus contained by quarantine and contact tracing, the only way we will likely get out of this mess is wide-spread vaccination.

I would have thought everyone would support an ending to this ASAP but it seemed that some people were almost giddy over the setback of the Oxford Group vaccine trial. I can’t figure out what goes through some people’s minds. I’ve given up trying.

 

[SamusAranX]

I think something to think about is weather. We are entering cold season. Dining al fresco won't be as friendly. The concern researchers have is people gathering inside with heaters. I hope theres no explosion of cases.

I hope so as well, but everything I have seen (granted I'm limited in knowledge) points to indoor dining as a ideal way for spread, even with limited capacity. I have only risked it twice since May, and I just don't feel right dining inside right now, whether that's Florida or NY

 

[mmascari]

I think his point was, if NYC sees a spike after limited reopening of indoor dining do they:

A. Walk it back but send restaurants to ruin as outdoor dining is not viable up north in the late fall/winter
B. Keep the course and let the spike continue

Heads they lose, tails they lose. Neither scenario is not going to be without it's critics.

C. Continue to ramp up contact tracing and rapid testing. Isolating infected people so there is no spike and the risk of going to a restaurant is low because there is so little community spread. Which means no spike occurs.

If they see a spike, it means they've let up on containment efforts. Alternatively, they've imported lots of people from areas that still have high community spread and overwhelmed their containment efforts.