Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[mmascari]

It's hard for me to believe anyone running a temp of 100.4 would be asymptomatic and feel like spending a day walking ten miles at a theme park. I guess anything is possible.

It's a sunk cost thing. Someone who has spent large quantities of money (even for small values of large), may not feel well but still feel that they need to go into the park because they've already paid for it. If the alternative is laying in bed feeling bad while already having paid for the park vs slowing moving through some of the park while feeling bad to get at least some value from the money already spent.

The temp check by itself is definitely a last ditch check, and not going to catch much. Probably something, but not much. I think, it's mostly theater. It'll probably catch some small percentage, and may catch other sick people who probably shouldn't be there either. Emphasis on the "may".

By that measure, we could lift all restrictions and the death rate would still not go high enough to threaten the survival of our society.

Only for some definitions of "survival of our society". The economy would collapse. With no controls at all in place and a million dead, people would stop doing all kinds of things. More people than currently don't do them with the restrictions in place.

 

[DCBaker]

Numbers are out -

 

[GoofGoof]

I think you need to set your expectations for the general population at a reasonable level. For example, in Sweden where their measures have been limited compared to other places, their compliance rate was calculated at 80%. That is considered to be very high. One of the highest. After Pearl Harbor, I believe support in the US for joining the war was around only 78%.

It is extremely difficult to get an entire population on the same page. And it is sad how people view their fellow citizens when most are just trying to do the right thing. It’s hard to avoid the negatives when they are constantly thrust into our faces. I have a hard time with it and have to remind myself all the time that there is a lot of good out there. I guess that’s all...

I agree with this. I’ve said from the beginning that most of us want the same thing and most people just want all of This to end as quickly as possible. There’s some disagreement on what’s the best way to get to the end of this. Most people just want to do the right thing, but there‘s such a toxic political environment right now and that’s driving a lot of the extreme actions. Some poor store clerk or kid working at Sesame Place are just doing their job and enforcing rules designed to keep everyone safe and people charged up from too much time spent in an echo chamber scream and rant at them or in the case of Sesame Place and some other situations physically assault them. That’s the extreme not the norm. Part of what fuels that though is the over the top negative rhetoric on social media and even in the main stream media. Most of the time it’s just harmless discussion or arguments but it can cross the line when an unstable person gets worked up and then acts on the negativity.

 

[HarperRose]

211 new deaths reported today in FL, the highest daily number since Mid-August.

 

[Heppenheimer]

I agree with this. I’ve said from the beginning that most of us want the same thing and most people just want all of This to end as quickly as possible. There’s some disagreement on what’s the best way to get to the end of this.

I'm going out on a limb and will assume that "everyone" wants this to end as quickly as possible. But because we've failed to keep the virus contained by quarantine and contact tracing, the only way we will likely get out of this mess is wide-spread vaccination.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Numbers are out -

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Question for those who live in Florida: Was there an increase in general activity over the Labour Day weekend? If so, it will be interesting to see which way the numbers go in the next few days. Presumably, if there is a spike in cases from Labour Day, it should start showing up in the next few days.

 

[techgeek]

Question for those who live in Florida: Was there an increase in general activity over the Labour Day weekend? If so, it will be interesting to see which way the numbers go in the next few days. Presumably, if there is a spike in cases from Labour Day, it should start showing up in the next few days.

Absolutely. Overall, the activity level has been ramping up over the last month or so with back to school and many going back to the office, and by labor day weekend many seemed to have a 'back to normal' mindset. I have a large city park near my house, and labor day weekend was easily the busiest it's been down there with many larger groups having picnics and grilling, swimming in the lake, playing basketball... Mask usage outdoors around here is pretty much non-existent, although we're still seeing 95%+ in stores and where 'required'.

 

[techgeek]

The COVID-19 recovery is stalling in Tampa Bay. Hereâs how we know.

Analysis: Data show a troubling change in Pinellas and Hillsborough — a sudden lack of progress.

www.tampabay.com

Some quotes:

Florida’s recovery from the worst of the coronavirus pandemic is slowing down, and Tampa Bay finds itself at a near complete stop. This pause in what had been a steady descent from the outbreak’s peak could spell trouble, especially for Pinellas, where the disease has already taken an outsized toll on elderly residents.

Statewide, the COVID-19 peak was in mid-July. Yet while the number of new cases each day has dropped steadily, that decline has begun to level out since the beginning of September. Mirroring that slowdown is the tally of those diagnosed with COVID-19 in hospitals. And lagging further behind is the state’s death toll, which has dropped less sharply since early August.

For the pandemic to end, those stats need to get to zero — and stay there.

But of late, the numbers are hardly budging in Tampa Bay, indicating that the virus isn’t leaving anytime soon.

Pinellas is the first of Florida’s large counties to see the flattening of new cases and current COVID-19 hospitalizations after both stats had been declining for nearly two months. During the third week of August, there were about 191 people primarily diagnosed with the disease in Pinellas hospitals at any given time. Nine days later, that was down 30 percent, to 134 people. But in the nine days since then (as of Wednesday), it is essentially unchanged, stranded at 133. (All of these numbers are according to Florida’s Agency for Health Care Administration and are week-long averages, to smooth out day-to-day quirks.)

 

[Tom Morrow]

What was Disney like for Labor Day weekend? Because Universal was a total nightmare and described as dangerous by many. They claimed to hit "capacity" but their idea of "limited capacity" must be "only a little less than what it would have been otherwise." Universal was initially praised for their extensive efforts, but now it seems as though now the safety procedures have taken a back seat to profit. In other words, "we can let in as many people as normal, and if they don't social distance, it's their fault!"

 

[Incomudro]

I'm going out on a limb and will assume that "everyone" wants this to end as quickly as possible. But because we've failed to keep the virus contained by quarantine and contact tracing, the only way we will likely get out of this mess is wide-spread vaccination.

We've done an amazing job at keeping this virus contained, and the reality of what we are experiencing didn't come remotely close to the predictions.
Do you remember the predictions?
I do.
Do you remember when they said we would end up like Italy did?
I do.
Do you remember the hospital ship in NYC and hospital tent cities that fortunately never needed to be used?
I do.

 

[Touchdown]

Complete nonsense. This part: For the pandemic to end, those stats need to get to zero — and stay there.

How else do you expect the pandemic to end?

 

[techgeek]

... and I don't know what thread this belongs most in, so I'm just going to drop it here.

Feature story on the Washington Post homepage this afternoon:

"A pandemic, a motel without
power and a potentially terrifying
glimpse of Orlando’s future "

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/kissimmee-star-motel/

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Its so heartbreaking that we basically have 3 9/11s a week with the death toll, and no one really bats an eye anymore.

 

[Andrew C]

Its so heartbreaking that we basically have 3 9/11s a week with the death toll, and no one really bats an eye anymore.

Huh?

 

[HarperRose]

Its so heartbreaking that we basically have 3 9/11s a week with the death toll, and no one really bats an eye anymore.

Agreed. With tomorrow being another anniversary, the remembrances this year will be interesting to watch.

 

[Phil12]

Only for some definitions of "survival of our society". The economy would collapse. With no controls at all in place and a million dead, people would stop doing all kinds of things. More people than currently don't do them with the restrictions in place.

I disagree. It would be a boon for the death care industry. Funeral homes, crematoria, cemeteries and headstone makers would flourish. The death care industry is comprised mostly of small family owned businesses and they could certainly use a shot in the arm. It would result in a wonderful economic stimulus for the entire world. Coffin and casket makers would benefit as well as the natural gas industry.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I disagree. It would be a boon for the death care industry. Funeral homes, crematoria, cemeteries and headstone makers would flourish. The death care industry is comprised mostly of small family owned businesses and they could certainly use a shot in the arm. It would result in a wonderful economic stimulus for the entire world. Coffin and casket makers would benefit as well as the natural gas industry.

Second failed attempt at humor.

 

[GimpYancIent]

We have to completely eradicate the virus (stats need to get to zero) for the pandemic to be over? That's either just ignorant or a misstatement.

I hope everyone is exercising and training because the Zombies catch and eat the slow ones.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Huh?

It was the saddest thing for our country with the number of American lives lost on 9/11 (rightfully so), and now we lose almost triple that amount in a week and its not a big deal to many.

I just dont understand the lack of empathy.

 

[Andrew C]

It was the saddest thing for our country with the number of American lives lost on 9/11 (rightfully so), and now we lose almost triple that amount in a week and its not a big deal to many.

I was confused about the no one bats an eye part.