Miss Bella
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The majority of people that decline flu vaccines or potentially this vaccine are not anti- Vaxers.
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SamusAranX
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herd immunity is a strategy that can be risky. Some say as low as 50 percent [of the population] need it for it to work others go as high as 80. Then again they’re predicting 410k deaths even with mask usage
And others say it could work.
I’m not saying they are right, just that like any other field, there is diversity of thought and opinions on this subject.
in a few years, when this hopefully over, we will be able to examine all the data with the benefit of hindsight and then can draw for sure conclusions. Until then we have to do what we can “in the moment” and wear masks, be clean etc and so on
"SeaWorld Entertainment revealed Friday that it will not bring back some of the thousands of workers it had furloughed earlier on in the pandemic.
In a Securities and Exchange Commission filing that came just before 5 p.m., the Orlando-based company said it had “committed to a plan of termination, impacting some of the company’s furloughed employees.”
It did not specify how many workers were permanently let go or which parks were affected but said the company will spend somewhere between $2.5 million and $3 million “related to employee severance costs.”
At the end of 2019, companywide there were nearly 11,000 part-time and 4,300 full-time employees."
“Substantially all of these employees were furloughed as part of the company’s efforts to reduce operating expenses and adjust cash flows in light of business circumstances associated with the COVID-19 pandemic,” the filing states. “Due to the sudden and unforeseeable economic impacts of the pandemic on the company’s business operations, that were not reasonably foreseeable at the time of the temporary furlough, the company has determined that it will transition certain park and corporate personnel from a furlough status to permanent layoff.”
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In a Securities and Exchange Commission filing that came just before 5 p.m., the Orlando-based company said it had “committed to a plan of termination, impacting some of the company’s furloughed employees.”
It did not specify how many workers were permanently let go or which parks were affected but said the company will spend somewhere between $2.5 million and $3 million “related to employee severance costs.”
At the end of 2019, companywide there were nearly 11,000 part-time and 4,300 full-time employees."
“Substantially all of these employees were furloughed as part of the company’s efforts to reduce operating expenses and adjust cash flows in light of business circumstances associated with the COVID-19 pandemic,” the filing states. “Due to the sudden and unforeseeable economic impacts of the pandemic on the company’s business operations, that were not reasonably foreseeable at the time of the temporary furlough, the company has determined that it will transition certain park and corporate personnel from a furlough status to permanent layoff.”
SeaWorld says it will permanently lay off some employees who have been on furlough
SeaWorld Entertainment revealed Friday that it will not bring back some of the thousands of workers it had furloughed earlier on amid the coronavirus pandemic. In a Securities and Exchange Commissi…
www.orlandosentinel.com
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WDW wants to be first in many things. This is not one of them."SeaWorld Entertainment revealed Friday that it will not bring back some of the thousands of workers it had furloughed earlier on in the pandemic.
In a Securities and Exchange Commission filing that came just before 5 p.m., the Orlando-based company said it had “committed to a plan of termination, impacting some of the company’s furloughed employees.”
It did not specify how many workers were permanently let go or which parks were affected but said the company will spend somewhere between $2.5 million and $3 million “related to employee severance costs.”
At the end of 2019, companywide there were nearly 11,000 part-time and 4,300 full-time employees."
“Substantially all of these employees were furloughed as part of the company’s efforts to reduce operating expenses and adjust cash flows in light of business circumstances associated with the COVID-19 pandemic,” the filing states. “Due to the sudden and unforeseeable economic impacts of the pandemic on the company’s business operations, that were not reasonably foreseeable at the time of the temporary furlough, the company has determined that it will transition certain park and corporate personnel from a furlough status to permanent layoff.”
SeaWorld says it will permanently lay off some employees who have been on furlough
SeaWorld Entertainment revealed Friday that it will not bring back some of the thousands of workers it had furloughed earlier on amid the coronavirus pandemic. In a Securities and Exchange Commissi…
Heppenheimer
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All vaccines carry at least a miniscule theoretical risk of provoking Guillan-Barre syndrome. The actual rate is estimated in one in 10s of million people who receive the vaccine (excluding certain very well-defined higher risk populations). Many of the natural infections that the vaccines prevent, however, have orders of magnitude higher chances of causing Guillan-Barre than the vaccines, to say nothing of all the other complications that you can get from these diseases. Guillan-Barre syndrome itself is not usually fatal if treated properly in a hospital, but it isn't a condition anyone would want to experience.
I scrubbed through Up-To-Date, but I could find the exact numbers quoted anywhere.
Here's a secret about medicine... nothing is guaranteed except your eventual death. Everything involves some risk, but we try to stack the dice in the patient's favor as much as possible. But you still have to roll the dice.
Kevin_W
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That would depend on your definition of anti-vaxer.
Miss Bella
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I use the traditional definition. It’s like saying if you don’t like mint ice cream you don’t like ice cream.
Chomama
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Agree. I think a lot of Americans are skeptical of this particular vaccine. That doesn’t mean they don’t keep their other vaccines up to date. I do think, in time, most people will get it but no one wants to go first.
danlb_2000
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Sadly, the prediction is not unreasonable. We are at around 900 deaths per day and although it's still trending down, it's not going down that fast. To get to 410,000 would require 1800 deaths per day. The next few months will bring a number of challenges, schools opening, holidays, the flu season, and cooler weather, on top of any other restrictions being eased.
Miss Bella
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I’m not sure what the percentage is of people that don’t get the flu vaccine, but I’m guessing it’s pretty high. As someone who has to offer it to people Ive never had anyone tell me they are against vaccines. Most people don’t think it works or they just don’t feel it’s necessary for them personally. I think of anti Vaxers as the parents that don’t vaccinate their kids with the usual vaccines we all receive the first few years of life.
easyrowrdw
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It doesn't matter though. No one was accused of being an "anti-vaxxer." The question was to those who are anti vaccine in reference to a worldwide epidemic (i.e., the Coronavirus). The subsequent response was just a strawman argument, a misdirection.
GoofGoof
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I agree with this. The traditional anti-vaxer is opposed to vaccines for children due to unfounded fear of links to autism. Plenty of people don’t get the flu vaccine. You probably know this from work, but I didn’t even know there was a pneumonia vaccine. I’ve certainly never gotten it.
In normal life I would not be lining up quickly to take a vaccine that doesn’t have full FDA approval but these aren’t normal times. I still have to see what the side effects (if any) of the vaccine are, but I’m more open to this one. It’s probably a good thing that not everyone wants it because they won’t have enough for everyone. We probably only need a little over half the people to get it to snuff out the virus. That assumes it actually works.
easyrowrdw
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I remember thinking it was unbelievable that we would hit the 140k that was predicted for August.
ImperfectPixie
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That the misinformation about autism CONTINUES to spread drives me absolutely crazy. I'm an autism parent, and I've spent years researching everything I can get my hands on.
ETA: And what angers me even more is that anti-vaxxers will try to tell me I'm wrong when I tell them they've been misinformed.
GoofGoof
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True. It’s a lesson in how hard it is to roll something back once it’s out there. Despite every attempt to use science and actual knowledge to disprove it some people will never give it up.
That being said, I don’t think the vast majority of people who are skeptical of these Covid vaccines are worried about autism. There’s a fear of the unknown which I get. For me I have less of a fear of vaccine side effects than my fear of the temporary effects of Covid and/or the long term side effects that are not guaranteed to be real but could be possible. Its also best for the economy.
ImperfectPixie
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Even despite the doctor that wrote the faulty study admitting that he made it all up.
easyrowrdw
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Heppenheimer
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I work in healthcare, and pretty much everyone in my hospital wants to get the vaccine a soon as it passes proper FDA approval.
Miss Bella
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The pneumonia vaccine is usually only recommended for people over 65 or people who have certain health conditions. Sadly in the US most people would qualify for it.
Miss Bella
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You guys can test it for us on the other side of the country.
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