oceanbreeze77
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I am just so saddened that we as a nation have become so numb to this tragedy.
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oceanbreeze77
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correct, but like I said earlier, the importance of eye protection has been known by many since Jan based on research from other countries. It just hits differently hearing it now from Fauci.
Rider
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Keep in mind that Sea World and Universal both reopened during Q2.
Disney was closed for the entire quarter.
peter11435
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GoofGoof
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I think this whole mess could result in a lost half decade on the development front. New capital spend will be paused for quite some time until we see a certain return to pre-Covid levels. Terrible for theme park fans, but we went through this with 9/11 and other recessions. Eventually things will bounce back, our “decade of growth and expansion” with multiple new e-tickets at WDW and a whole additional park plus multiple e-tickets at Universal came to a premature end.
On the attendance front that makes sense given the reports we have seen. It also makes sense that satisfaction is way up. Anyone who goes and is willing to jump through all these hoops to do it is going to be a huge parks fan and likely to be happy. The average tourist who might complain a lot is avoiding the place.
oceanbreeze77
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I think that's why many say that DL may fare better when all of this is over. We depend on our local AP market, WDW depends on travel.
oceanbreeze77
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Your daily sports interruption
chrisvee
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more evidence for my argument that the strategy in FL is ‘let it burn through the population’
ETA: this notion creeping into the discourse that high rates of infection are having a quasi-herd immunity effect seems just dangerous and foolhardy to me due to long term COVID-19 impacts for those who survive as well as the degree of suffering now
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G00fyDad
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It isn't as safe as people think it is. Yes, Disney may be (for the moment) requiring face masks and staying on top of the guests not wearing them but they are not wiping down surfaces after every single person touches something. And the other people come along after that and touch that same surface then all they have to do is rub their nose or touch their eye or stupidly bite their fingernails and possibly be infected. Anyone who tries to say that every single person going into Disney World and allowed into the parks is covid free is living in a fantasy world. No pun intended.
As for the eye protection, my wife works on a hospital floor with nothing but covid patients. She has to wear a kn95 mask with a surgical mask over top of that, a gown over top of her scrubs, hair covering, gloves and protection goggles. She has to wear this entire to get up for 12 hours a day with only a half hour break for lunch. Trust me, it sucks wearing all of this. Her nose is hurting from the goggles she's having to wear so if it becomes standard precautions for the general public then I seriously doubt you'll see anybody even bothering with it. Indiana's Governor started mandatory mask requirements this past Monday for everyone in public areas now. We just went to get something to eat last night and drove past several stores and not a mask to be found. My wife was the only person wearing a mask that we could find and she was in the car with me. Before anybody makes a joke about why she was wearing a mask in the car with me it's because she works on a floor with covid-19 (as I previously mentioned). She wears a mask to help minimize the risk that I get something she may have after working on that floor. So far she is still negative but that could change. People better start taking this seriously.
GoofGoof
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I probably made my opinion known already, but the way I see it the 2 biggest issues with a vacation to WDW right now are traveling into a hot spot in general, which I think is a bad idea for something that’s not necessary and eating meals out. Unless you have a DVC villa or rent a house/condo off property you have to eat most meals out. Dining (especially indoor dining) is a higher risk activity right now, especially somewhere with a high level of community spread. Having to eat 2 or 3 meals a day out for the duration of the trip is a lot more exposure than most people get in a typical day, especially if their home area is not a hot spot. These aren’t really a knock on Disney, I think they are doing the best job they can. I also agree that anyone who goes and thinks there aren’t some CMs and fellow guests who are infected is kidding themselves. The risk is what it is and if people want to accept it more power to them...just wear your mask and wash your hands a whole lot.
DisneyDebRob
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As if we weren’t worrying about enough. Is this what may be coming? Not being a alarmist but they have been waiting to see what may happen down under.
www.bloomberg.com
Winter Virus Surge Down Under Shows U.S., Europe What May Come
Public health officials bracing for a potential onslaught of coronavirus cases when summer fades in the U.S. and Europe are getting a real-time window into what the cooler weather may bring. And it’s alarming.
www.bloomberg.com
Lirael
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This isn't much of a surprise when you remember the country currently in 2nd place of most infections is Brazil and that is also in midst winter right now too.As if we weren’t worrying about enough. Is this what may be coming? Not being a alarmist but they have been waiting to see what may happen down under.
Winter Virus Surge Down Under Shows U.S., Europe What May Come
Public health officials bracing for a potential onslaught of coronavirus cases when summer fades in the U.S. and Europe are getting a real-time window into what the cooler weather may bring. And it’s alarming.
Ultimately it's not the weather: its the safety measures that make a difference.
DisneyDebRob
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For some reason, and I’m not sure the exact reason why, they have been waiting on what happens in Australia. Brazil is never mentioned when looking to the Southern Hemisphere.
Disstevefan1
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Here we go. Today in the media I am beginning to see face shields/goggles being recommended for the general public. We should skip this step and go strait to full hasmat suits.
Lirael
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Possibly because one is considered a developed country and the other not. So other developed countries are looking to see how "one of their own" does, as with a poorer country, they likely believe other factors might be in place to result in the infection numbers*, even though the USA is considered developed and is in 1st place.
*Which in fairness isn't necessarily an incorrect assumption either as a breakdown of where in Brazil infections are hitting more shows, to little surprise, that poor areas/neighborhoods/states are the hardest hit, not because poor people think it's a hoax, but because it's harder to social distance when you live in cramped quarters with a large family, can't afford to stay out of work, can't afford to keep ordering food and such, and your low paying job requires you to get out of the house etcetc
hopemax
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I was only planning on looking at this for 3 days.
Today: 3,584,193
Difference: 52,472
Covid Tracking: 46,466
However, I just noticed something. Dashboard differences, are closer to CT's total, for the NEXT day.
So today's CT number (46,466) is very close to what I posted yesterday about the Dashboard (46,580). Yesterday's CT number (48,802) is close to what I posted about the Dashboard on the first day (48,871). So I will check in tomorrow to see if CT posts a number around 52,000.
Death tally, since today was another bad day. New daily high is 7/16 at 135 (including the one erroneously reported as occurring in 1966). Every day between 7/6 - 7/22 is now above 100.
GoofGoof
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I don’t think it’s really getting to the point that face shields or goggles are being recommended for the general public and as other people pointed out it’s not as likely to get there either. However, back in March I would have told you it’s unlikely people in the US will be wearing masks everywhere in public. I actually think I did post that a thousand pages or so in this thread
. Point is we don’t know what the future will bring and what the recommendations will be. The only thing we know for sure is that they have changed over time and are likely to change again.
Jedijax719
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What has puzzled me is how many water parks, amusement parks, etc. have been open and flourishing without incident or at least reported incidents.
For example, in addition to Disney, the Great Wolf Lodge franchise has been operating in full since June. We haven't heard anything about having to close whatsoever or any cases. Is it because it's difficult to trace any cases back to the parks? Is it the chlorine? Is it really the measures they are using? And how will that data be used to vouch for the reopening of schools. Is there even a correlation?
For example, in addition to Disney, the Great Wolf Lodge franchise has been operating in full since June. We haven't heard anything about having to close whatsoever or any cases. Is it because it's difficult to trace any cases back to the parks? Is it the chlorine? Is it really the measures they are using? And how will that data be used to vouch for the reopening of schools. Is there even a correlation?
GoofGoof
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Tracing is extremely difficult for place like a theme park. The department of health cannot just pin a positive case on Great Wolf Lodge or WDW if the infected person went other places too. Also if a person goes to WDW then tests positive they aren’t going to even try to trace anyone who was at WDW that day. Too many people. If anything is confirmed it could be on the worker side. There have been some social media leaks on infections of employees at various places but again, hard to formally announce that without definitive proof that the infection occurred at work.
Tink242424
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This is normal human behavior when you have the reporting that we have had. Mostly doom & gloom without any consistent messages about how to stay safe. Also, locking people down for months on end with no end in sight doesn't do anything good for the human psyche either.
It is not just America but other countries as well. The media needs to do better, especially here in the US, and report more facts not just propaganda.
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